Islam fights free speech

[The Emperor of Mankind]

It didn't negate my freedom lol I am not personally offended, but the ones who were offended, that's what they said. ... I simply didn't read the magazine, or look at that stuff or whatever. The magazine invaded their freedoms.

Okay, I'll reword my original question slightly.

How on earth is a cartoon drawn half the world away, at which Muslims are not forced to look, negating their freedom or space? No religion has the right to freedom from criticism, mockery or satire.

I know you probably can't answer directly for them but you can speculate.

Drawing a picture of Mohammed is offensive to Muslims, or God for that matter or any other prophet.

It doesn't seem like that. In fact Muslims only get upset when Muhammad is drawn - and even then only half the time. They don't bat an eye when other figures sacred to their faith being drawn.

Nobody rioted over this magazine cover

Spoiler: Charlie Hebdo's unflattering depiction of the Christian Trinity

or this one:

Spoiler: Another Charlie Hebdo drawing of Muhammad!

or this one:

Spoiler: Another CH drawing of Muhammad

So the bias of Muslims who riot is extremely selective; this is made all the more confusing by the fact that the lines we non-Muslims are not allowed to cross (even though Muslims can't draw Muhammad) exist purely in these peoples' heads which makes them rather hard to see.

Oh, I recommend you don't open all these spoilers at once. The first two images are kinda big.

 

[Rival]

Okay, I'll reword my original question slightly.

How on earth is a cartoon drawn half the world away, at which Muslims are not forced to look, negating their freedom or space? No religion has the right to freedom from criticism, mockery or satire.

I know you probably can't answer directly for them but you can speculate.




It doesn't seem like that. In fact Muslims only get upset when Muhammad is drawn - and even then only half the time. They don't bat an eye when other figures sacred to their faith being drawn.

Nobody rioted over this magazine cover

Spoiler: Charlie Hebdo's unflattering depiction of the Christian Trinity

or this one:

Spoiler: Another Charlie Hebdo drawing of Muhammad!

or this one:

Spoiler: Another CH drawing of Muhammad

Right, that's it...

*Sound of sword being unsheathed*

You shouldn't have made Jesus a blond...

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Eep

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Hi Evan, I took your post #434 to be a sort of sideways way to deflect criticism of Islam. Did I get that wrong?

I didn't mean to deflect criticism of Islam, so much as I meant to share the criticism around with all similar modes of thought. As I said, the thread is about Islam at war with free speech, but in my view, pretty much all religions (the ones with actual gods, anyway) share the same trait. Some hide it a little better, but you can always see it whenever somebody writes Truth with a Capital "T." Arguments against that Truth are not allowed, and will be fought with whatever weapons come to hand, except, usually, truth (with a small "t").

 

[Akivah]

How you would react when it's about anti-Jewish thread made by same anti-jewish person, when he post over and over anti-Jewish threads and posts ?

I encounter those sorts of threads a lot. There are different types of them and my reaction differs depending on the type and the identity of the poster. For example:

1. General anti-Jewish. If a poster only posts in a general negative way about Judaism, then I will respond to a couple of threads. Once I realize that the person is just fervently anti-Jewish, I generally stop participating in their threads. Everyone can easily see the poster is a hater and a troll. It just becomes a total waste of my time to engage with them.

2. Specific events. If a poster writes about a specific event in which they are critical of Judaism, then I respond to those. I explain my Jewish POV and my view about the circumstances that led up to the event. If I think the Jewish side is wrong, then I will say so and condemn the action.

3. Messiah mis-identification and/or spiritual blindness. If a poster writes about how we got our religion wrong, I will point out the errors in their analysis. The bible is limited in size, so there are only so many arguments one can make. These posts can get very repetitive and I don't always respond.

 

[Notanumber]

Has anyone on here watched Geert Wilders film, Fitna?

If so, what did you think of it?

Does it contravene Free Speech or the right not to be offended?

 

[faroukfarouk]

Any day now...

My apologies had a busy weekend.
Will do i in a moment.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Genesis 17:17
And Abraham fell on his face and rejoiced, and he said to himself, "Will [a child] be born to one who is a hundred years old, and will Sarah, who is ninety years old, give birth?"
Commentary on verse.
And Abraham fell on his face and rejoiced: Heb. וַיִּצְחָק. Onkelos renders this as an expression of joy, וַחֲדִי “and he rejoiced,” but the one [וַתִּצְחָק] in the case of Sarah (below 18:12) [he renders] as an expression of laughter. You learn that Abraham believed and rejoiced, but Sarah did not believe and ridiculed, and for this reason, the Holy One, blessed be He, was angry with Sarah, but was not angry with Abraham.
Will [a child] be born to on, etc.: There are questions which are positive assertions, like (I Sam. 2:27): הֲנִגְלֹה נִגְלֵיתִי, “Did I appear?” [meaning: “of course I appeared!”]; (II Sam. 15:27): הֲרֹאֶה אַתָּה, “Do you see?” [meaning: “of course you see!”] This too is a positive assertion, and so did he say to himself, “Was such kindness done to anyone else, that the Holy One, blessed be He, is doing for me?”
and will Sarah, who is ninety years old: Shall she be worthy of giving birth? Now although the first generations begot children at the age of five hundred, in Abraham’s time, the years were already lessened, and weakness had come to the world. Go out and learn this from the ten generations from Noah to Abraham, who hastened to beget children at the age of sixty and seventy.

Genesis 23:1
And the life of Sarah was one hundred years and twenty years and seven years; [these were] the years of the life of Sarah.
Commentary of verse.
And the life of Sarah was one hundred years and twenty years and seven years: The reason that the word “years” was written after every digit is to tell you that every digit is to be expounded upon individually: when she was one hundred years old, she was like a twenty-year-old regarding sin. Just as a twenty-year-old has not sinned, because she is not liable to punishment, so too when she was one hundred years old, she was without sin. And when she was twenty, she was like a seven-year-old as regards to beauty. — from Gen. Rabbah 58:1]

Genesis 25:20
And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebecca the daughter of Bethuel the Aramean of Padan Aram, the sister of Laban the Aramean, to himself for a wife.
Commentary of verse
Forty years old: For when Abraham came from Mount Moriah, he was informed that Rebecca had been born. Isaac was then thirty-seven years old, for at that time Sarah died, and from the time that Isaac was born until the “Binding” [of Isaac], when Sarah died, were thirty-seven years, for she was ninety years old when Isaac was born, and one hundred and twenty-seven when she died, as it is stated (above 23:1): “The life of Sarah was [a hundred and twenty seven years.”] This makes Isaac thirty-seven years old, and at that time, Rebecca was born. He waited for her until she would be fit for marital relations-three years-and then married her. — [From Gen. Rabbah 57:1;

Once again sorry for the delay.

 

[Parsimony]

Forty years old: For when Abraham came from Mount Moriah, he was informed that Rebecca had been born. Isaac was then thirty-seven years old

Is there an unambiguous verse stating that Isaac was 37 at the time that Rebecca was born? Commentary from a Jewish source isn't good enough. I need verses.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Your commentary is from non other than a Rabbi.

Here is further confirmation.
"and it did happen that marriages were already consummated with prepubescent girls."

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0802823327

 

[Parsimony]

Your commentary is from non other than a Rabi.

Here is further confirmation.
"and it did happen that marriages were already consummated with prepubescent girls."

https://books.google.com/books?isbn=0802823327

It doesn't matter what a Rabbi said if they can't back it up with verses. Without verses, it just becomes a guess. So where are the verses confirming that Isaac was 37 at the time of Rebecca's birth?

 

[jeager106]

It doesn't matter what a Rabbi said if they can't back it up with verses. Without verses, it just becomes a guess. So where are the verses confirming that Isaac was 37 at the time of Rebecca's birth?

I try to cite everything I post that might require a citation to substantiate what I might write.
Otherwise what is said is just an opinion and like the anal orifice everyone has one.
Perhaps opinion is why Christianity has some 33 to 40 THOUSAND denominations
all reading the same book!
http://philvaz.com/apologetics/a120.htm
Pentecostals that play with live rattlesnakes.
Westboro Baptists that preach hate!
Wow!

 

[Notanumber]

UN wants to remove Free Speech

 

[kaoticprofit]

The only people that should really fear Islam are the worshippers of Satan.
We are peace lovers to those that strive for peace.
As for Satan peace is non-negotiable.

The only people that should really fear Islam are the worshippers of Satan.

And that would be ALL MUSLIMS since Muslims bow toward the east and a black rock in Mecca, believing it absolves them of their sins. Allah is Satan himself! Islam is his religion and represented by the two horned beast.

Around the octagonal structure of the Dome of the Rock is a long classical Arabic inscription that says that God has no begotten son, thus denying that Jesus is the Son of God? Many mosque also have the same inscription.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The name Lucifer in Hebrew is Heylel. It comes from the word 'halal' and it means, "The Morning Star."

1966 heylel hay-lale' from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--lucifer.

Hilal in Arabis means....
Web definition
Hilāl (هلال) is an Arabic word that means "crescent" or "new moon." It's an Islamic symbol!

Heylal, Halal ,and Hilal means... Lucifer... aka Satan... aka the devil... and in Christian literature actually means... The Morning Star and Crescent Moon.

We put crosses on top of Churches. Islam has a star and crescent moon. Allah is also known as a moon god in Arabic mythology!

The number of the verses in the Koran according to the scholars:
Ibn-i Abbas (ra): 6616,
Nafi (ra): 6217,

Shayba (ra): 6214,
Scholars of Egypt (ra): 6226,
Zamahshari (ra)
(the genius Eloquence Scholar of the Arabic language and literature);
6666.
Bediuzzaman, mujaddid (the reformer) of the13.century, also has the opinion of
6666 verses.

Islam will definitely be an obstacle to a one World Government whose leader will be Satan the antichrist.

A one world government is a pipe dream of Christianity's prophecy experts. It will never come to pass. However. Islam will form two Caliphates. One a southern Caliphate in and around the Arabian Peninsula...the 'king of the south' of Daniel 11. And the king of the north which is a northern Caliphate probably inspired by Iran and Syria and of course, Satan himself.

We are peace lovers to those that strive for peace.

Islam has never been a religion of peace. Ah peace! That's why over 900 women, many of them teenagers, we're murdered by honor killings in Pakistan.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) says hundreds of women were killed in so-called honor killings in the country last year. In its annual report, the HRCP said 913 girls and women, including 99 minors, were killed in 2012.

The report said 604 were killed after being accused of having
illicit relations with men.

Around 191 were reported slain for marrying their own choice of husbands and going against their families' wishes. Honor killings are illegal in Pakistan, but such killings are still carried out in remote tribal areas. The number of honor killings in Pakistan usually ranges between 600 and 900 each year.

In Kolkata India on December 7 another killing in the name of "honor" and there has been a surge in such attacks over the past several months.

Nilofar Bibi, 22, was only 14 years old when she left home in an arranged marriage. Alleging torture carried out by her in-laws, Bibi returned to her parents on November 28, but vanished days later.

Her brother, Mehtab Alam, 29, had discovered his sister was living with an old boyfriend, Firoz, an auto-rickshaw driver. Alam stormed into the home and dragged Bibi onto the street in broad daylight.

Passers-by looked on in horror as he cut off Bibi's head while saying "she had sinned and had to be punished".

Alam left his sister's body in a pool of blood on the road, and calmly walked to the police station, her head in hand, to surrender himself. The siblings' family expressed support for Alam, saying they were proud he upheld their honor.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Learn more about Islam as a peaceful religion...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...se-atrocity-dubbed-worst-execution-video.html

In August there were 203 attacks by Muslims in 33 countries, 29 of them suicide blast, with 1,637 people killed and 1,734 people injured. This IS NOT what I would label as a peaceful religion, and NOT the kind of religion I want in the USA!.

As for Satan peace is non-negotiable.

As for Islam, peace has never been negotiable.

 

[Notanumber]

I was disappointed when a non-Brexit MP became Prime Minister, then she gave the Brexit is Brexit speech so I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt even though she had failed to control immigration when Home Secretary.

I was also impressed when she postponed the decision about Hinkley Point until she had reviewed the situation. Unfortunately, the UK government has now given the go-ahead for the French and Chinese financed nuclear power station at great expense for us Brits.

Much worse than all this, we are now being told that Faith schools that segregate children are going to be expanded by government policy.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...regate-kids-so-why-theresa-may-expanding-them

This can only lead to more situations like this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-ban-feeding-pupils-diet-Islam.html#comments

In the present climate, we should be going the other way, banning all faith schools, and making damn sure that no extremist teaching can possibly take place anywhere.

Did we not learn anything from the failings of Tony Blair and multiculturalism, etc?

 

[FearGod]

And that would be ALL MUSLIMS since Muslims bow toward the east and a black rock in Mecca, believing it absolves them of their sins. Allah is Satan himself! Islam is his religion and represented by the two horned beast.

Around the octagonal structure of the Dome of the Rock is a long classical Arabic inscription that says that God has no begotten son, thus denying that Jesus is the Son of God? Many mosque also have the same inscription.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The name Lucifer in Hebrew is Heylel. It comes from the word 'halal' and it means, "The Morning Star."

1966 heylel hay-lale' from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--lucifer.

Hilal in Arabis means....
Web definition
Hilāl (هلال) is an Arabic word that means "crescent" or "new moon." It's an Islamic symbol!

Heylal, Halal ,and Hilal means... Lucifer... aka Satan... aka the devil... and in Christian literature actually means... The Morning Star and Crescent Moon.

We put crosses on top of Churches. Islam has a star and crescent moon. Allah is also known as a moon god in Arabic mythology!

The number of the verses in the Koran according to the scholars:
Ibn-i Abbas (ra): 6616,
Nafi (ra): 6217,

Shayba (ra): 6214,
Scholars of Egypt (ra): 6226,
Zamahshari (ra)
(the genius Eloquence Scholar of the Arabic language and literature);
6666.
Bediuzzaman, mujaddid (the reformer) of the13.century, also has the opinion of
6666 verses.



A one world government is a pipe dream of Christianity's prophecy experts. It will never come to pass. However. Islam will form two Caliphates. One a southern Caliphate in and around the Arabian Peninsula...the 'king of the south' of Daniel 11. And the king of the north which is a northern Caliphate probably inspired by Iran and Syria and of course, Satan himself.



Islam has never been a religion of peace. Ah peace! That's why over 900 women, many of them teenagers, we're murdered by honor killings in Pakistan.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) says hundreds of women were killed in so-called honor killings in the country last year. In its annual report, the HRCP said 913 girls and women, including 99 minors, were killed in 2012.

The report said 604 were killed after being accused of having
illicit relations with men.

Around 191 were reported slain for marrying their own choice of husbands and going against their families' wishes. Honor killings are illegal in Pakistan, but such killings are still carried out in remote tribal areas. The number of honor killings in Pakistan usually ranges between 600 and 900 each year.

In Kolkata India on December 7 another killing in the name of "honor" and there has been a surge in such attacks over the past several months.

Nilofar Bibi, 22, was only 14 years old when she left home in an arranged marriage. Alleging torture carried out by her in-laws, Bibi returned to her parents on November 28, but vanished days later.

Her brother, Mehtab Alam, 29, had discovered his sister was living with an old boyfriend, Firoz, an auto-rickshaw driver. Alam stormed into the home and dragged Bibi onto the street in broad daylight.

Passers-by looked on in horror as he cut off Bibi's head while saying "she had sinned and had to be punished".

Alam left his sister's body in a pool of blood on the road, and calmly walked to the police station, her head in hand, to surrender himself. The siblings' family expressed support for Alam, saying they were proud he upheld their honor.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Learn more about Islam as a peaceful religion...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...se-atrocity-dubbed-worst-execution-video.html

In August there were 203 attacks by Muslims in 33 countries, 29 of them suicide blast, with 1,637 people killed and 1,734 people injured. This IS NOT what I would label as a peaceful religion, and NOT the kind of religion I want in the USA!.



As for Islam, peace has never been negotiable.

The crescent moon over the mosques and the crossings over the churches aren't representing Gods
but it's people's inventions.

 

[Rival]

Please don't tell me I'm the only person who sees a vagina.

 

[jeager106]

@kaoticprofit
That post about Islam, the religion of peace, was nasty, negative, and...............................

TRUE!

Jihad Report
Sep 10, 2016 -
Sep 16, 2016
Attacks43
Killed191
Injured228
Suicide Blasts6
Countries14


In just one week worldwide.
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

ALL other religions combined.
ZERO.
Go figure.

 

[FearGod]

Please don't tell me I'm the only person who sees a vagina.

Put both side by side so we can compare.

 

[icehorse]

Please don't tell me I'm the only person who sees a vagina.

you're not