Islam fights free speech

[jeager106]

Justify? What has it got to do with justifcation?
You want to learn more about Jehovah? You won't by asking questions like that

That post didn't help others to understand why the things I posted are happening.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Because stereotyping and generalizing, and it's evil and unjustice.

Really? How many countries with a Muslim-majority population recognise the rights of polytheists to worship freely? How many Muslim-majority countries is it safe for polytheists to worship freely in? How many countries with Muslim populations approaching a majority is it safe for polytheists to worship in or legally recognise their right to freedom of religion?

How many countries where Christians live free of Muslim persecution? The Zoroastrian community in Iran is definitely persecuted; it can't accept converts and can't build new temples.

I don't think it's very commun,and vast,and very rare , not commun.
I do know that many Algerian convert to Christianity,the authority did not accuse them by apostasy.

So rare that just under half of all Muslim-majority countries (23 out of 49) consider apostasy to be a criminal offence. With Turkey rapidly becoming Islamised by Erdogan, how long will it be before that becomes 24 out of 49?

I do believe some Muslims are living and accept to live as Western life.
it's not big deal for most of us.i

I'm inclined to agree. Unfortunately there's a substantial minority of Muslims (which is bigger or smaller depending on the age group) who are acting as a fifth column for aggressive Islamic culture making inroads into Europe. A survey was recently taken in France that shows "50% of French Muslims between 15-25 subscribe to radical Islam" while the percentage of over 40s is 20% and that 60% of all respondents believe Muslimahs should be allowed to wear the hijab in public schools even though French law prevents any religious expression in public schools. That's rather worrying.

Check out :

Holiday/New Year Vlog: A day in an Algerian's Life

That was interesting and enjoyable to watch. Thank you!

 

[Godobeyer]

Really? How many countries with a Muslim-majority population recognise the rights of polytheists to worship freely? How many Muslim-majority countries is it safe for polytheists to worship freely in? How many countries with Muslim populations approaching a majority is it safe for polytheists to worship in or legally recognise their right to freedom of religion?

How many countries where Christians live free of Muslim persecution? The Zoroastrian community in Iran is definitely persecuted; it can't accept converts and can't build new temples.




So rare that just under half of all Muslim-majority countries (23 out of 49) consider apostasy to be a criminal offence. With Turkey rapidly becoming Islamised by Erdogan, how long will it be before that becomes 24 out of 49?

In general the minorities are presecuted and hasared in every country in mini level. especially by individuals sometimes by goverments even in West .

Yes in general Muslim countries are just bit more, I think it's because the religion/politic leaders missdeal with that.

I do believe there is free to believe or disbelieve in Islam.

I'm inclined to agree. Unfortunately there's a substantial minority of Muslims (which is bigger or smaller depending on the age group) who are acting as a fifth column for aggressive Islamic culture making inroads into Europe. A survey was recently taken in France that shows "50% of French Muslims between 15-25 subscribe to radical Islam" while the percentage of over 40s is 20% and that 60% of all respondents believe Muslimahs should be allowed to wear the hijab in public schools even though French law prevents any religious expression in public schools. That's rather worrying.

What's meant by worrying ?

Do you mean that you agree or disagree with prevent the Muslims to not wear Hijab in public area ?!!

That was interesting and enjoyable to watch. Thank you!

You are welcome
At least you know us now bit more now

 

[jeager106]

Here in the U.S. the Jehovah's Witnesses face persecution on many levels.
In other countries persecution can be severe.

 

[muhammad_isa]

That post didn't help others to understand why the things I posted are happening.

That's as maybe .. the point I'm making is that truth cannot be found by observing the behaviour of the masses .. we need to seek knowledge with sincerity. That's why we've been given intelligence .. not just to make money.

 

[Notanumber]

I hope the whole truth would released one day.

I remember some papers of story or investigation hidden , or classify as top secret.

This might prove to be more revealing than anything that has happened so far.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/28/senate-obama-veto-september-11-bill-saudi-arabia

 

[Godobeyer]

This might prove to be more revealing than anything that has happened so far.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/28/senate-obama-veto-september-11-bill-saudi-arabia

I just reply about this issue in other thread

http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...-the-so-called-9-11-bill.191130/#post-4903905

 

[Notanumber]

I watched your video with interest and have a few obvious points to make.

She said she wanted people to see that Muslims are not that scary. That depends on where and when you meet them.

She also said that she did not feel threatened even thought she was openly displaying her religion. I wonder if I could say the same if, I attended a meeting of Political Islam and openly displayed my religion.

Her T-shirt said ‘Salam I come in peace’ and she stated that Islam is a peaceful religion. I don’t know how she could say that while keeping a straight face.

Wearing the yellow star was an insult to Jews and the Holocaust. Jews were forced to wear the star by the Nazis similar to how Islam treats Dhimmis and forces them to pay the jizya.

I presume she is satisfied that she got the reaction and the publicity that she hoped for without risking her personal safety.

Some background information.

From the comments section.
"All people of Jewish heritage are grotesquely offended by the badge this stupid, unthinking, woman created. These are exact facsimiles of the yellow cloth badges the NAZI government, forced the Children of Israel to wear, and in the process, labeling them (Jews) as sub-human. I am not a fan of Donald Trump, but this message needs to be shared. I will do my part to see that's what happens."

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

In general the minorities are presecuted and hasared in every country in mini level. especially by individuals sometimes by goverments even in West .

Yes in general Muslim countries are just bit more, I think it's because the religion/politic leaders missdeal with that.

The difference is this sort of behaviour is actually criminal in most Western countries and can land the perpetrator with a criminal record. It's also frowned on by most of society, including government.

I do believe there is free to believe or disbelieve in Islam.

That freedom is extremely selective. Ex-Muslims, for example, do not have that freedom. KSA and other totally-Muslim countries don't appear to have that freedom either.

What's meant by worrying ?

Do you mean that you agree or disagree with prevent the Muslims to not wear Hijab in public area ?!!

I'm worried by the fact that so many Muslims seem to believe their religious tenets should be above the law of the country they live in even though it is not a Muslim country and they're more often than not descendants of people who've left Islamic countries for one reason or another.

You are welcome
At least you know us now bit more now

It's like I've said (or am saying because I'm still typing said comment) in another thread: most Muslims just want to live in peace and worship their god.

 

[Godobeyer]

The difference is this sort of behaviour is actually criminal in most Western countries and can land the perpetrator with a criminal record.

Among appears recently harassement against Muslims and blacks.

In official way the Islamic religious way of wearing is become target

how about this ?

French mayor on burkini ban: They must accept our way of life
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/30/europe/french-mayor-cogolin-burkini-ban/

That freedom is extremely selective. Ex-Muslims, for example, do not have that freedom. KSA and other totally-Muslim countries don't appear to have that freedom either.

KSA is like Vatican ,it's most religious country in world, I think about laws could changed in future.

I'm worried by the fact that so many Muslims seem to believe their religious tenets should be above the law of the country they live in even though it is not a Muslim country and they're more often than not descendants of people who've left Islamic countries for one reason or another.

It's about Muslims want to apply the laws on their country,where is the problem?
I do believe minority should had their expection in laws.

It's like I've said (or am saying because I'm still typing said comment) in another thread: most Muslims just want to live in peace and worship their god.

Yes that's it.

 

[Godobeyer]

Some background information.

From the comments section.
"All people of Jewish heritage are grotesquely offended by the badge this stupid, unthinking, woman created. These are exact facsimiles of the yellow cloth badges the NAZI government, forced the Children of Israel to wear, and in the process, labeling them (Jews) as sub-human. I am not a fan of Donald Trump, but this message needs to be shared. I will do my part to see that's what happens."

I think it was not neccesry for her to creat similaire badge. it's not big deal to me or may even Jews, since it's not hatefull message.

 

[Notanumber]

I think it was not neccesry for her to creat similaire badge. it's not big deal to me or may even Jews, since it's not hatefull message.

What is not a hateful message?

 

[Godobeyer]

What is not a hateful message?

badge was not hatefull message against Jews.

 

[Notanumber]

badge was not hatefull message against Jews.

Are you a Jew?

If not, how do you know that the badge is not a hateful message against Jews?

I am not a Jew so I cannot speak on their behalf, but if I were a Jew, I would justifiably take it as a hateful message.

This is from the comments section –

It's very distasteful, don't you think, using the badge that hitler used to distinguish the Jews from the rest of society, when:

1. Rose Hamid is an anti-Israel activist; and

2. This is hitler's version of the Dhimmi badge MUSLIMS used to pinpoint the unbelievers they allowed to live as long as they paid their protection money (for islamic military expansion to invade other people's land) and allowed themselves to be subjected to humiliation and subordination.

Quite distasteful, yet ironic I would say.

 

[jeager106]

That yellow star is a slap in the face period.
If it was an "accidental and unintended" demonstration then the wearer should have known better.
I don't believe for a millisecond it was unintended.
It's a deliberate assault on Jews and Christians alike.
Radical Islam is an assault on all people every where.
A deadly, murderous, violent assault.
The Koran contains 109 versus promoting conversion or death for the non believer.
Jihad Report
Sep 17, 2016 -
Sep 23, 2016
Attacks 43
Killed 290
Injured 227
Suicide Blasts 6
Countries 16

All in the name of a religion. The religion of peace.
RADICAL Islam, not all of Islam.
A Pew study reveals that only 15% if Muslims believe in, support, or take part in violent Jihad.
Comforting.
What is 15% of 2.1 billion?

 

[Godobeyer]

Are you a Jew?

If not, how do you know that the badge is not a hateful message against Jews?

I am not a Jew so I cannot speak on their behalf, but if I were a Jew, I would justifiably take it as a hateful message.

This is from the comments section –

It's very distasteful, don't you think, using the badge that hitler used to distinguish the Jews from the rest of society, when:

1. Rose Hamid is an anti-Israel activist; and

2. This is hitler's version of the Dhimmi badge MUSLIMS used to pinpoint the unbelievers they allowed to live as long as they paid their protection money (for islamic military expansion to invade other people's land) and allowed themselves to be subjected to humiliation and subordination.

Quite distasteful, yet ironic I would say.

Yes, it's not hateful message against Jews.

Muslim Woman and Jewish Man Kicked Out of Trump Rally After Silent Protest
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/1.696442

btw
I am anti-Israel activist against racism and oppression and occupation and unjustice which cause more voilence both sides,does not mean I am anti-Jew.

 

[Notanumber]

Yes, it's not hateful message against Jews.

Muslim Woman and Jewish Man Kicked Out of Trump Rally After Silent Protest
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/1.696442

btw
I am anti-Israel activist against racism and oppression and occupation and unjustice which cause more voilence both sides,does not mean I am anti-Jew.

Poor choice of words, you couldn’t say hand on heart that they were kicked out.

If they had been harmed, I think we would have heard about it!

Some more interesting reading for you

https://anncorcoran2016.org/2016/01...bluth-an-adviser-to-muslim-brotherhood-group/

 

[Notanumber]

badge was not hatefull message against Jews.

http://www.bl.uk/learning/histcitizen/voices/info/yellowstar/theyellowstar.html

 

[Akivah]

Among appears recently harassement against Muslims and blacks.

In official way the Islamic religious way of wearing is become target

how about this ?

French mayor on burkini ban: They must accept our way of life

OK, so you are against the people in this country making laws for people living in their country.

It's about Muslims want to apply the laws on their country,where is the problem?
I do believe minority should had their expection in laws.

But you are for people in this country making laws for people living in their country.

Why are French laws discriminatory against the minorities, but Saudi laws aren't?

 

[Notanumber]

OK, so you are against the people in this country making laws for people living in their country.



But you are for people in this country making laws for people living in their country.

Why are French laws discriminatory against the minorities, but Saudi laws aren't?

I can answer that question if Godobeyer can’t.