Islam is not a religion of terror. Is it?

[leibowde84]

If you are unaware of that, then maybe go and do some research on the matter. I can't really hold discussions with people who claim to know what they are talking about and forming opinions based on half arsed knowledge of issues which are quite common knowledge to me or other people who actually form opinions based on fact.

Are you claiming that President Obama conducted these bombing runs? Or are you blaming him and other Americans for the actions of past leaders?

 

[leibowde84]

Islam has got nothing to do with establishing an empire. You are simply wrong. Please quote from Quran - the first and the foremost source of Islam/Muhammad whatever the denomination to prove your viewpoint.
Regards

Why not the Hadiths? Do you believe that any Hadiths are valid? If so, why shouldn't they be used for evidence? I mean, just because the Quran is the first/foremost source, doesn't disqualify the Hadiths. So, it seems like you are just trying to cheat here.

 

[paarsurrey]

The Caliphate is an empire

Islam has been revived in Ahmadiyya and Islamic Caliphate has been established with the advent of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi. Ahmadiyya Islam has been established peacefully in more than 206 countries since then and there has been never ever any endeavour to build any empire. It is a wrong notion, please correct yourself.
Will you? Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Islam wants to establish a global theocratic empire.

As I said Islam has got nothing to do with establishing any empire, for a theocratic one there is absolutely no room for it. Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Why not the Hadiths? Do you believe that any Hadiths are valid? If so, why shouldn't they be used for evidence? I mean, just because the Quran is the first/foremost source, doesn't disqualify the Hadiths. So, it seems like you are just trying to cheat here.

Only those Hadiths that are not against Quran, Hadith were collected 250/300 years after Muhammad and are only valid if not against Quran-authored by God, not authored by any human being at all.
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[YmirGF]

Islam has been revived in Ahmadiyya and Islamic Caliphate has been established with the advent of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi. Ahmadiyya Islam has been established peacefully in more than 206 countries since then and there has been never ever any endeavour to build any empire. It is a wrong notion, please correct yourself.
Will you? Please
Regards

Ahmadiyya's are welcome to make such a claim, but the Muslim world in general most certainly does not recognize the claim. Nor should anyone else...

 

[leibowde84]

Only those Hadiths that are not against Quran, Hadith were collected 250/300 years after Muhammad and are only valid if not against Quran-authored by God, not authored by any human being at all.
Regards

So, do you adhere to any Hadiths? Also, I thought that the companions of Muhammad wrote the Quran after Muhammad's death using what Muhammad had told them, mostly going by jotted down notes and memorization. Is that not accurate?

 

[gnostic]

Islam has got nothing to do with establishing an empire. You are simply wrong. Please quote from Quran - the first and the foremost source of Islam/Muhammad whatever the denomination to prove your viewpoint.

Islam is more than just what is written in the Qur'an.

Islam is also about the actions of Muhammad, and what followed AFTER his death, which was the formation of the first caliphate, and all the caliphates that followed in centuries to come.

It is also about the wars that Muhammad was involved in, and HOW HE SPREAD ISLAM TO OTHER PARTS OF THE ARABIAN PENINSULA.

Islam isn't just about the book, because the book was written until over decade after Muhammad's death.

 

[gnostic]

Islam isn't just about the book, because the book was written until over decade after Muhammad's death.

It should read as followed:
"Islam isn't just about the book, because the book wasn't written until over decade after Muhammad's death."

Sorry for the typo..

 

[LuisDantas]

Hi, Paarsurrey.

Excuse me for not going carefully through the whole thread. Will you be so kind as to clarify some doubts I have about your first post in this thread?

Please focus on the following points.

1. Islam has been reformed under the Ahmadiyya and is one of the fastest spreading religious community in the world.
2. Ahmadiyya or true Islam has peacefully spread in about 206 countries/territories of the world. In about 150 years Ahmadiyya are already more than the Zoroastrians and perhaps the Judaism people, no disrespect intended to anybody.
3. if one is truthful one would increase despite the opposition, persecution and killings done by the opponents.

I assume you mean "a religious group" here. But I don't think I see the connection between the claimed cause and effect. Did you elaborate on why it would be so in some previous post?

I fear I won't come to agree with your statement, but I would like to learn why you perceive it as true.

1. Ahmadiyya Muslims follow teachings of Quran as did Muhammad follow. In fact Ahmadiyya follow in Muhammad’s footsteps.
2. Those who doubt that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad they should focus on spread of Ahmadiyya true Islam, If it has happened now peacefully, it should be a clear sign for the doubtful that Islam spread peacefully in times of Muhammad.

Islam in not, repeat not, repeat not a religion of terror.
Regards

I'm not following here, either.

In fact, it is a bit puzzling that you seem to be implying a close relationship among the growth of adherents, the truthfulness of Ahamadiyya doctrine and evidence that Islam is not spread by the use of violence. Those look like three fairly unrelated subjects to me.

Are you perhaps implying that a religion will be succesfull or forgotten according to how true to God's teachings it is; that therefore Ahamadiyya's claim of being the most pure or perhaps the only true understanding of Islam in the current days is supported by facts; and also that, as a consequence, non-Ahmadiyya Islam is not to be considered when one formulates an opinion about Islam proper (in this case, about how peaceful its expansion might be)?

 

[LuisDantas]

Islam has got nothing to do with establishing an empire. You are simply wrong. Please quote from Quran - the first and the foremost source of Islam/Muhammad whatever the denomination to prove your viewpoint.
Regards

Paarsurrey, is it not true that Islam has among its main goals spreading itself as far as possible?

That it expects people who live in Muslim-led communities to either practice Islam or pay a tax for not doing so?

That it values obedience to central authority?

Assuming that you agree with all those three statements, what does differentiate that from a goal of establishing such an empire?