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Islam is the most misunderstood religion in contemporary society

Well the Jews already knew the God of Abraham existed through Moses, so that's not what he brought to His people. What He brought to His people was salvation. As you said, He is a God that is not distant and forgives, but according to the bible, without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. That's why Jesus had to be a perfect sacrifice on the cross for the sins of the world. And the Lord is one; Father, Word, and Holy Spirit, something Muhammad contradicts.
His 'father' sounds more like a bloodthirsty desert dwelling demon.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
"Islam is not bad, it's just misunderstood."

Okay then, I want you to do a scripture hunt.

Quran (2:244)
Quran (2:216)
Quran (3:56)
Quran (3:151)
Quran (4:74)
Quran (4:76)
Quran (4:89)
Quran (4:95)
Quran (4:101)
Quran (4:104)
Quran (5:33)
Quran (8:12)
Quran (8:15)
Quran (8:39)
Quran (8:57)
Quran (8:67)
Quran (8:59-60)
Quran (8:65)
Quran (9:5)
Quran (9:14)
Quran (9:20)
Quran (9:29)
Quran (9:30)
Quran (9:38-39)
Quran (9:41)
Quran (9:73)
Quran (9:88)
Quran (9:111)
Quran (9:123)
Quran (17:16)
Quran (18:65-81)
Quran (21:44)
Quran (25:52)
Quran (33:60-62)
Quran (47:3-4)
Quran (47:35)
Quran (48:17)
Quran (48:29)
Quran (61:4)
Quran (61:10-12)
Quran (66:9)
Quran (2:191-193)

I did not include the Hadiths nor any sources other than their own words. I will let anyone here type those in, and decide what this says. As for me, I looked those up and they were every bit as nasty as advertised.
Did one read Quran from cover to cover to know and collect all these verses from it or one just copied and pasted it from a site against Islam/Quran/Muhammad?

If not
, then please read Quran, not a voluminous scripture, it is only of the size of four Gospels bound in one volume together, approximately.

If yes
, then with the assumption that one has written down them in the order- the most fierce being the first, please quote the verse (2:244) of Quran with the verses in the context, some verses preceding and some verses following for correct understanding. Right, please?
Regard
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Did one read Quran from cover to cover to know and collect all these verses from it or one just copied and pasted it from a site against Islam/Quran/Muhammad?

If not
, then please read Quran, not a voluminous scripture, it is only of the size of four Gospels bound in one volume together, approximately.

If yes
, then with the assumption that one has written down them in the order- the most fierce being the first, please quote the verse (2:244) of Quran with the verses in the context, some verses preceding and some verses following for correct understanding. Right, please?

Anybody else, please.
Regards
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
"The secular mind is deeply entrenched with the idea that Islam is a system of beliefs where fanaticism and moderate devotion to a supernatural deity is indistinguishable."

-Epic Beard Man


I began that quote from listening to an hour and twenty-three minute video of Karen Armstrong giving a lecture regarding the secular views of Islam today. According to Karen Armstrong, the "bed rock message of the Qur'an is it is good to share your wealth fairly, and wrong to horde a private fortune, and the aim of life is to build a just and decent society where vulnerable people are treated with equity and respect." In Ms. Armstrong's lecture, she brings up a good point where in viewing other religions we tend to view them through the lens of Protestant Christianity, where religion is considered as a separate activity. Hence in the west we see Protestant Christianity as a benchmark in which we judge all others. This is why Buddhism and Confucianism are considered "secular ideologies" but according to Armstrong, the Buddha and Confucius would have not understood secularism as we see it.

Unfortunately, throughout the years (actually centuries) Islam has been presented by the west as a blood thirsty religion bent on Holy War, or Jihad to commence the campaign of Dar al-Islam. The western viewpoint of Jihad is the misunderstanding (whether intentional or unintentional) of Quranic interpretation of a holy struggle of the self. Jihad is the constant battle from within and in fact according to Islam, the constant battle from within is the greatest form of Jihad. Jihad appears in the Qur'an only 44 times and in 10 of those does it refer to warfare. Jihad is a struggle. Ms. Armstrong cites some examples regarding what it means to struggle such as for instance it being a struggle to give someone something to eat because they are hungry when you yourself are hungry. Do you give in to your own senses and biological desires or do you transcend beyond that and do the selfless act and give to the starving person.

In the west we turn on our television and watch news outlets of ISIL (or ISIS) or other terrorist organizations who commit acts of violence such as bombings and suicide bombings and the fervor or these groups who vehemently believe what they're doing is for God. It is historical fact that suicide bombings was not invented by Muslim extremists in fact, it was an invention by the Tamil Tigers, an extremely secular organization. According to Armstrong, though we see the early bombings happening in Lebanon committed by Shi'ites, most attacks during the 1980's in Lebanon and Jordan were done by secularists and socialists and secularists from Syria 7 suicide bombings were done by Muslims and 27 were done by secularists. Suicide bombings is strictly unIslamic and many Muslim scholars cite several verses but one verse is more popular when responding to critics concerning suicide bombings:

Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32).

When it comes to violence of this type in looking at the actions of these Muslims who commit these violent acts, we must look at the root cause of these actions. Because what we see are people who believe that their country is invaded by a power more advanced in weaponry than the people. Coupled this with doctrinal ignorance, low education, hopelessness, limited resources, desperation, and a fiery and fanatical Imam, you have a recipe for disaster. There is something inherently wrong when a child who has never lived life expresses glee in the manner that some of these kids do, when they see their violent causes as something for "The Lord of the Worlds." The problem I see when people examine Islam is that we tend to see Islam from a Western perspective. I mean, we do this with a lot of people. Instead of asking why, we need to be asking how? How does the psychopathology of someone who is desperately trying to kill themselves and others develop? Where do people get these ideas?

People do not examine the perspective of the other by stepping outside themselves, and even though some do, they still place their western perspective in scenarios like "even if I was in that situation I would do such and such, and such and such." No, you wouldn't because if you were in that scenario you would not be having a western perspective on life or having the perspective of life that you have now, you'd have their perspective. I tend to ask myself when looking at the violence that is happening in the world in that sector I wonder what is compounding the violent ideologies? I firmly believe it is the socio-political infrastructures that over time have become unstable and paralyzed in time due to a collective effort of outside forces (western influences of warfare e.g. think CIA influence on the Taliban fighting Russians).

When it comes to the religious interpretation of he Qur'an like Judaism and the reading of the Talmud, the Qur'an is read through a filtration system such as the Imam or the Hadith. People often ask "what is the correct interpretation of Islam?" I would answer from an outsider's perspective it depends where you are in the world. For many impoverished Palestinians, their interpretation of Islam is a lot different than the perspective of Muslims who live in Detroit or New York. Just as the perspective of an Irish Christian would be different religiously than the perspective of a Taiwanese Christian. Our environment can be our x-factor in how we see ourselves in the world from a religious perspective.

What is the correct way to look at Islam?

Any faith that promotes good, justice, and equality, and promotes self-growth and excellence and the fair treatment of others which is the baseline of Islam, is the correct way of looking at Islam.[/QUOTe

So which faith promotes good justice and equality?
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Hello.

I have read through just nearly every single post in the great and awesome forum.

However, for me - I find no new material that I have seen, even in this forum - it is all the same Trinitarian - " ONE STEP TRINITARIAN THEOLOGY " that never proceeds a single step - - beyond its KJV copycat translation of the Roman Catholic Douay Rheims Bible .

Now - or then.
We all know the claims of educated religious Muslims today, who have excavated, unearthed or discovered the Fact that their Qurans prophecies and revelations are not found in any ancient manuscripts of the Torah or the Gospels.

In fact, - there are no Torah, no Gospels, no Artifacts, no Genealogies, no Literature, no Preserved record whatsoever. No Books – and No Historic Maps- or Geographic records from any time anywhere in any corner of the earth that defends or confirms, validates or authorizes the new core REVELATIONs and PROPHECIEs of Mohammud and His Quran.


The claim that The Jews distorted, concealed and falsified the original Torah is without a single shred of any proof whatsoever anywhere. ..... Also, I have been really astonished by many things such as these facts and also by the fact that the message of The Quran does not condemn slavery and slave trade.

I personally, find it quite telling that The Quran does not condemn rape either -


There are absolutely no punishments, no retribution, no justice and no righteousness or decency concerning the subject of rape and slavery. However, in the Bible,
this punishment is a mandatory death penalty in violent cases for anyone committing both rape and slavery, with lesser penalties mandated by the offender paying compensation for servant / workers who are injured and even other forms of sexual abuse.

Also, we have The Dead Sea Scrolls that include some of the only known surviving copies of Biblical documents written ONE THOUSAND YEARS before The Quran existed - The Dead Sea Scrolls preserve the evidence that the Torah has not been changed whatsoever, dating back ONE THOUSAND YEARS before the Qurans revelations and prophecies.


I always find that average Muslims everywhere are eager to leave out important FACTS such as the FACT that The biblical manuscripts found among the Dead Sea Scrolls push that CONFIRMATION date back a whole millennium, to the 2nd century BCE. the same exact “ PRECISE “ message that was written over a thousand years before The Quran - The Torah is stemming from thousands upon thousands of recorded detailed years of history and generations. Muslims failed to preserve or go beyond a single generation of anyone anywhere at any time in History. No Genealogies - nothing.

Islam is literally religion with
no Scriptures, No Gospels, No Artifacts, No genealogies, No Chronicles and No Manuscripts.

The only goal of the true Honest Bible Believer is to compare The Dead Sea Scrolls Hebrew Biblical texts that date back over three thousand { { 3000 } years ago from today with today's Torah - and it is a precise, perfect, accurate, faithful and truthful message. I believe that we must go back to the original and study. this is done by every real and honest Bible-believing Christian and Jew.


However, Muslims have nothing to go back to - They did not preserve anything.

We find that the Torah is nearly a perfect precise match to the Torah that exists today.

Yet In Islam, Sura 5:47 goes on to say "Let the People of the Gospel Judge by what Allah hath revealed Therein...." If the People of the Gospel are to judge by what God has revealed in the Gospel, then how can the Gospel they are to judge by not be the Gospel God told them to judge by?

Even Sura 6:91 Allah sent down the book which Moses brought? - a light and guidance to man;
Sura 5:48 says, "To thee (People of the Book) We sent the scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the truth that hath come to thee...."


"And in their [the prophets'] footsteps we sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Torah that had come before him: we sent him the gospel; therein was guidance and light. And confirmation of the Torah that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah" Sura 5:46


Sura 8:84-85 - Mentions Adam, Noah, Lot, the brother and sister of Moses, the Queen of Sheba and Abraham] Isaac and Jacob, Noah David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron; Zakariya and John [the Baptist] and Jesus and Elias [Elijah].



The Quran also mentions - Mary the mother of Jesus, and Jesus' apostles.


(Sura 5:61-63) God's word, given to the people of the Book.

Jesus was taught the Gospel according to Sura 3:48,

and Christians are the people of the Gospel in Sura 5:46.

Even 'Aisha tells that Khadija took Mohammed to a Christian convert who used to read the Gospels in Arabic.

Sura 3:48 says, "And Allah will teach him [Jesus] the book and Wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel."

Deep in my mind, I have this same question that I ask to both Muslims and Roman Catholics - " Why do You follow the prophecy, revelation and spiritual claims of Mohammad when they have been proven to be false and error in every single last way possible". ? __

Because Everything that exists in the universe disproves and denies the REVELATIONs and PROPHECIEs and SPIRITUAL CLAIMs of Mohammud and His Quran.


Friends, everything that I have written here is all truth and can not be denied.

I only ask You to consider that Gods word is truly preserved and that there are no contradictions or errors in God's word. )( YES ) - there are textual variants in the copying of the translations. BUT the original, earliest manuscripts agree with the majority of texts found.


Allah has a totally different idea of the definition of what a criminal is - or what sin is, than that which is criminal and sin and even God, as defined in the Bible.

even the characters in the Quran that are lifted and duplicated from the Bible who have same names are not the same people with the same messages and goals, purposes and objective. The objective, prophecies, revelations, promises and plans and goals of the God of the Bible is nothing compared to the god of the Quran. there is no way that this is the same deity, each god is swearing under the threat, declaration and clear announcement that belief and adherence, support and affiliation and faith in the other " god " is punishable by eternal damnation and punishment and a self-made / choice of self-destruction. The message of the Bible and the Quran is clear - the one to the other is evil, a lie and false. it is like comparing the similarities between God and Satan in the eyes of each of the belief systems.
Did one read Quran from cover to cover to experience its truth, please?
Quran is not a voluminous Word.Right, please?

Regards
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Yes, I agree, Islam is the most misunderstood Religion.
Countless people misunderstand that it is a Religion of peace!

I can prove from the Koran and history of the first Muslims, that Muhammad (peace be upon him) never intended for it to be a Religion of peace, and in fact the Qu'ran repeatedly calls Muslims to be violent, intolerant, and bigoted.

Hope I'm not too offensive for simply stating the facts!:thumbsup:
 
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