Beaudreaux
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Thoughts? (perhaps the laziest O.P.in R.F. History?)
Legitimacy of Islam at heart of Tenn. mosque suit - USATODAY.com
Legitimacy of Islam at heart of Tenn. mosque suit - USATODAY.com
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Islam not a religion?
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IMO - Muhammud is the False Prophet, and the Dome of the Rock is the "abomination of desolation" that has stood for 1300 years upon the ruins of the Temple in Jerusalem. It is a religion all right, that worships the Moon God - Satan/Allah - which is why the crescent is so ubiquitous in the Middle East. Did you ever wonder why an Arabic sword is on the Shriner hats? It's also a political movement inextricably linked with religion.
I can't think of any definition of religion that rejects Islam while keeping Christianity.
It is true that Islam is heavily political, and the authorities are correct in avoiding decisions about what is a "true" religion (in fact, I wish they went all the way and never even attempted to make such decisions or to give IRS advantages to religious groups). But it is not really any different from so many other religious groups with strong political interests - besides, is it illegal to form political groups or to erect buildings for them, anyway?
Worries about Shariah Law are equally baseless. For one thing, the existence of the Mosque has little if any relation to the adoption of Shariah. Some Muslims will still want to establish some measure of Shariah Law whether or not they have a nearby Mosque, after all... and the US Laws and Constitution will still apply and put limits to what they may actually do. Again, it is no different from the situation with so many other religious groups that have some measure of religious law: they may do so, but it is their own problem to find ways of coexisting with local secular laws. AFAIK there are isolated Christian communities with their own local laws, and I'm pretty sure that there are Rabbinical Courts in the USA. They manage to exist without too much conflict with secular laws and with each other, and there is no reason why it would be any different with Muslims.
Ultimately, it is almost funny that people in the USA are opposing a religious building on the grounds that it is supposedly a front for a political movement. The words "political freedom" come to mind.
It is true that Islam is heavily political, and the authorities are correct in avoiding decisions about what is a "true" religion (in fact, I wish they went all the way and never even attempted to make such decisions or to give IRS advantages to religious groups). But it is not really any different from so many other religious groups with strong political interests - besides, is it illegal to form political groups or to erect buildings for them, anyway?
Worries about Shariah Law are equally baseless. For one thing, the existence of the Mosque has little if any relation to the adoption of Shariah. Some Muslims will still want to establish some measure of Shariah Law whether or not they have a nearby Mosque, after all... and the US Laws and Constitution will still apply and put limits to what they may actually do. Again, it is no different from the situation with so many other religious groups that have some measure of religious law: they may do so, but it is their own problem to find ways of coexisting with local secular laws. AFAIK there are isolated Christian communities with their own local laws, and I'm pretty sure that there are Rabbinical Courts in the USA. They manage to exist without too much conflict with secular laws and with each other, and there is no reason why it would be any different with Muslims.
Ultimately, it is almost funny that people in the USA are opposing a religious building on the grounds that it is supposedly a front for a political movement. The words "political freedom" come to mind.
IMO Islam is split into two main parts,Islamist which is the Political side is the kind practiced by Hamas,the Muslim Brotherhood and just about every Jihadi and wanna be a Martyr type people.
Its interesting that the Muslim Brotherhood after years of assinations and Murder has tried to distance itself from its not so nice past and has participated in Democratic elections and has become a global Political movement,you can see their work in Darfur and Sudan.
The other part ,Islamic, is the religious half that is practiced mostly in the West where there is more freedom,at its inception Islam was certainly Political and married perfectly with the religious part as after all IMO both are about control and power.
Its interesting that the Muslim Brotherhood after years of assinations and Murder has tried to distance itself from its not so nice past and has participated in Democratic elections and has become a global Political movement,you can see their work in Darfur and Sudan.
The other part ,Islamic, is the religious half that is practiced mostly in the West where there is more freedom,at its inception Islam was certainly Political and married perfectly with the religious part as after all IMO both are about control and power.
ruhnafsoul
ruhnafsoul
hmm.. religion is only for the one who need it.. not for the one who doesnt need it or who cant even make their mind to know about it..
And I need religion for my guidance to face upcoming moments in my life.. while I still have the opportunity to enjoy life in this world.. and ISLAM is my religion.. my faith.. ISLAM carry and teach me to become in love with every creation, to be sincere to myself and to every creation, and to have high regard to every creation of GOD.. all those things makes me feel that I'm nuthin' and GOD are everything.. and I'm very proud of it.. tq
And I need religion for my guidance to face upcoming moments in my life.. while I still have the opportunity to enjoy life in this world.. and ISLAM is my religion.. my faith.. ISLAM carry and teach me to become in love with every creation, to be sincere to myself and to every creation, and to have high regard to every creation of GOD.. all those things makes me feel that I'm nuthin' and GOD are everything.. and I'm very proud of it.. tq
Indeed islam is very much akin to nazism - and there's a long trail linking the two. The oldest city in Germany is named for an Assyrian prince. Nazism was a hybrid of some of the things from Revelation combined with Teutonic insanity. Was it a religion? Was it any different than the KKK? There is, in all three a fervor fueled by a false premise, that if given a platform - is hard to stop. Now they want to build that mosque in NY as a symbol of conquest just like the Dome of the Rock. If allowed their law says that it can never be torn down. That a half muslim president supports it, the US is in deep, deep trouble. And that "Christianity" as represented by the likes of Glenn Beck and the radical right(that celebrate pagan holidays with a fervor) it has left muslimism on a higher moral ground that is being allowed to fill the void. Keep an eye on the date 7/20/2012. That would be the 43rd aniversary of the first moon landing and 1260 days or 42 months from the inauguration of the moon god appeasing president - Barak Osama Obama (BOO) And since he is not qualified to be president - (there had been 43 prior) That must make him the 1st King.
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Is Allah moon God? It is an outdated claim of Robert Moreey. This claim always rejected by scholars. But it is not problem for christians and atheists. TALK IS CHEAP (ESPECIALLY WITHOUT EVİDENCE).
Scholar Rick Brown mentioned that about claim of Allah is moon God:
Moon God?
Those who claim that Allah is a pagan deity, most notably the moon god, often base their claims on the fact that a symbol of the crescent moon adorns the tops of many mosques and is widely used as a symbol of Islam. It is in fact true that before the coming of Islam many "gods" and idols were worshipped in the Middle East, but the name of the moon god was Sîn, not Allah, and he was not particularly popular in Arabia, the birthplace of Islam. The most prominent idol in Mecca was a god called Hubal, and there is no proof that he was a moon god. It is sometimes claimed that there is a temple to the moon god at Hazor in Palestine. This is based on a representation there of a supplicant wearing a crescent-like pendant. It is not clear, however, that the pendant symbolizes a moon god, and in any case this is not an Arab religious site but an ancient Canaanite site, which was destroyed by Joshua in about 1250 BC. There is also an ancient temple in the ruins of the kingdom of Sheba (Saba), in Yemen, and it includes inscriptions to the kingdom's patron god Almaqah. It has been claimed that Almaqah was a moon god, but there is no solid evidence for this, and scholars now think Almaqah was a sun god. If the ancient Arabs worshipped hundreds of idols, then no doubt the moon god Sîn was included, for even the Hebrews were prone to worship the sun and the moon and the stars, but there is no clear evidence that moon-worship was prominent among the Arabs in any way or that the crescent was used as the symbol of a moon god, and Allah was certainly not the moon god's name
dogsgod
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It appears that Christianity and Islam are on an equal as far as religions go:
Religion is the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or a set of beliefs concerning the origin and purpose of the universe. It is commonly regarded as consisting of a person’s relation to God or to gods or spirits. Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories associated with their deity or deities, that are intended to give meaning to life. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature. wiki
Religion is the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or a set of beliefs concerning the origin and purpose of the universe. It is commonly regarded as consisting of a person’s relation to God or to gods or spirits. Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories associated with their deity or deities, that are intended to give meaning to life. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature. wiki
The claims of allah in the koran are at total odds with the claims of Yahweh in the Bible. Yahweh never ordered Jews to conquer the world and kill anyone who disagreed with them. Nor did he order the mistreatment of women. see brotherpete.com. Anyone who puts forward the opposite has read neither of those books.
to discover all this ******** ,and very low level of experience and misuderstand the other, and built by the ignore the religion of the others, and pick up the lies and built on it
1- give the proof from the Quran that Allah is moon God or God moon
2- give the official definition of the word "Allah "
thank you brother for your claim
owwwwwwww ,first of all read recently history of france,Uk...etc , with the colonistion the incounte crimes , then speak about islam and muslims , We have groups (some criminals belong to the muslims ) terrorits , but you were countries of terrorists , france killed 1.5 million innocent algerian , and USA killed more than that in Iraq , because of his oil , (not as they said , Sadam had nuclear bomb)
then all the world now discover that it's just a lie , there is no nuclear bomb , it's lie for stealing the oil of Iraq
What does that have to do with "Islam is not a relgion"?
I don't care about this title of thread , i care why you represent the islam and all the muslims terrorist and forget your crimes against us , accuatly we have group of terrorists (bin laden and his friends ) and we have group of countries terrorists the muslims and the other world
If you can point out where i said all Muslims
ruhnafsoul
ruhnafsoul
Oo You who are the ignorants.. U think and speak like U know GOD... What a shame!! U are not even a **** close about GOD. In fact, U know nuthin about GOD!!.. Only write and read of what others had written and act like a knowledgeable people of GOD.. to be seen like a knowledgeable people in religion matters. The fact that U dont even have a **** of knowledge of GOD.. and dont even know how to differentiate between think and feel of the existance of GOD.. The worst is, U dont even know what is KNOWLEDGE of GOD. Verily U are the confused ignorants.
Pick one of your *** hair and smell it.. Once you had smelled it then U can say U've got a knowledge. The smell and the experience of smelling it is the real KNOWLEDGE.. the knowledge about your own *** hair, not the one that u read of what others had written about their *** hair.. Verily U are far from knowledge.. what a fool.
And yet U want to tell others about moon.. about moon GOD.. about GOD etc.. Cmon!! what a waste of time.
Go back and see your own ***.. how can a hair can come out from your flesh and grow on that location.. who create it. The feel of it that gives u a knowledge about it.. So what about GOD.. my GOD !! U are far from knowledge.. maybe U got no knowledge like a mule.. perhaps..
forgive me.. maybe this can give to some people a knowledge.
Pick one of your *** hair and smell it.. Once you had smelled it then U can say U've got a knowledge. The smell and the experience of smelling it is the real KNOWLEDGE.. the knowledge about your own *** hair, not the one that u read of what others had written about their *** hair.. Verily U are far from knowledge.. what a fool.
And yet U want to tell others about moon.. about moon GOD.. about GOD etc.. Cmon!! what a waste of time.
Go back and see your own ***.. how can a hair can come out from your flesh and grow on that location.. who create it. The feel of it that gives u a knowledge about it.. So what about GOD.. my GOD !! U are far from knowledge.. maybe U got no knowledge like a mule.. perhaps..
forgive me.. maybe this can give to some people a knowledge.
Are you trying to say "don't go around smelling someone else's *** hair,if so no worries i don't intend to.