Islam: Religion of Peace or Religion for War?

[The_Fisher_King]

Ya'quub, Mohammad exterminated the Jews and Christians in Medina and the entire Arabian peninsula, and he killed or force converted the pagans. You can claim this was just, but only by making a mockery of your sense of justice. As it says in the Hadith: “It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.” (Sahih Muslim Book 19, Hadith 4366). Mohammad set the precedent followed by all Muslims that came after him.

As I have said already, we do not see eye to eye on this. My sense of justice and your sense of justice are not the same. And I don't think we are going to change our views anytime soon. You will keep repeating what you are saying, and I will keep repeating what I am saying. To you your beliefs and to me mine.

 

[Sonofason]

I believe it is a religion of peace.

Qur'an says if you kill one innocent person, it is as though you have killed the whole of humanity.
If you save one person, it is as though you have saved the whole of humanity.

Killing, i believe, is the second worst sin in Islam.

Please define "innocent person"

 

[Sabour]

but I have read Why I Am Not A Muslim,

Joshua Evans also read that also and felt happy that he never met a muslim in his life .... until he became one.

Just saying

 

[blue taylor]

This is exactly what religion does.

 

[Marsh]

Joshua Evans also read that also and felt happy that he never met a muslim in his life .... until he became one.

Just saying

Being an atheist, I am not that likely to find Islam a very comfortable place. Just saying.

 

[Marsh]

This is exactly what religion does.

If memory serves correctly at the end of the scene Nicholson is terminated by the Martians. I have no fear of secular Muslims, it is the intention of those who want Sharia law that I worry about.

 

[Sabour]

Being an atheist it is not likely that there is a comfortable place for me within Islam. Just saying.

The point was that this book isn't a reliable source to study Islam. I should have clarified this.

 

[Marsh]

The point was that this book isn't a reliable source to study Islam. I should have clarified this.

Why I am not a Muslim, by Ibn Warraq, took me a long time to read, in part because I kept checking it against the Koran and other sources. I didn't find any inaccuracies. I did learn a lot, including that Mohammad relied in large measure on Gnostic Christian sources. Now I understand where some of his strange stories, and ideas about Christianity came from.

By the way, who is Joshua Evans? I Googled him but couldn't find anything.

Have you heard of Lee Stroble? He wrote The Case for Christ, and many other Christian bestsellers. He claims to have been an atheist who discovered Christ. The problem is he writes like a Christian who had never been an atheist. His claims about atheism are just a rehash of all the false notions and misunderstandings that evangelical Christians have been spouting for years. I am sorry to say that his claim strikes me as a con-job to sell books! I don't know this Joshua Evans. Are you sure he is legit?

 

[Sabour]

Why I am not a Muslim, by Ibn Warraq, took me a long time to read, in part because I kept checking it against the Koran and other sources. I didn't find any inaccuracies. I did learn a lot, including that Mohammad relied in large measure on Gnostic Christian sources. Now I understand where some of his strange stories, and ideas about Christianity came from.

By the way, who is Joshua Evans? I Googled him but couldn't find anything.

Have you heard of Lee Stroble? He wrote The Case for Christ, and many other Christian bestsellers. He claims to have been an atheist who discovered Christ. The problem is he writes like a Christian who had never been an atheist. His claims about atheism are just a rehash of all the false notions and misunderstandings that evangelical Christians have been spouting for years. I am sorry to say that his claim strikes me as a con-job to sell books! I don't know this Joshua Evans. Are you sure he is legit?

I heard some of his videos.

Does not the book Why I am not a muslim says we worship a moon god named Allah who lived in a box in the desert and we can marry as much women as we want by marrying one and divorcing another ? Does it say that we can kill non muslims whenever we want and it is a good thing?

If that is the case, than it is not even related to Islam.


I got introduced to Joshua Evans through this video.

 

[Andraste]

Please define "innocent person"

Try reading verse 5:33 .... It's one of the most violent in the Quran...
Also the verse that says if a man kills a single man it's as if he has killed the whole of humanity... Is plagiarised straight from the Jewish Talmud which is 600 years older than the Quran.... It's not even considered inspirational as it concerns civil and ceremonial law....

 

[Smart_Guy]

Try reading verse 5:33 .... It's one of the most violent in the Quran...

Yes, it is violent. Some people do deserve to face violence depending on their crimes to stop them. The Quran does not want people to cower in fear from those who strive to murder or rape, or let them do whatever they want, so such verses exist. The verse does tell who deserve that, and it includes those who spread corruption among people. It does not just tell us to run after people and demonize them like that for nothing. Check also the verse that follows it. It tells that punishment is applicable to those who keep spreading corruption, not those who just did it once or twice. It says that even those criminals referred to earlier have a chance and deserve mercy and if they stopped spreading corruption, they don't deserve the punishment anymore.

Also the verse that says if a man kills a single man it's as if he has killed the whole of humanity... Is plagiarised straight from the Jewish Talmud which is 600 years older than the Quran....

That is a good point and I thank you for the heads up. Please link us to it/point it out in the Talmud. I'm interested in such similarities in different scriptures.

 

[Andraste]

at account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

PICKTHAL: For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.

SHAKIR: For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land Talmud was written hundred of years before Muhammad. But the interesting part is it is commentary(tafsir) of Jewish Rabbis not Torah itself. So how come what Rabbis wrote made it into Quran exactly word by word. Looks like classic case of Plugrassim. Muhammad perhaps could not differentiate between Torah and Talmud. Following is the piece from Talmud.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Cool! Thank you for sharing.

 

[blue taylor]

If memory serves correctly at the end of the scene Nicholson is terminated by the Martians. I have no fear of secular Muslims, it is the intention of those who want Sharia law that I worry about.

Sorry. I thought that part was in the video. Yes just as you thought they were coming to an agreement one stabs the other through the back. Very typical of religions. Zero tolerance, for no reason whatsoever.