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Islamic anger

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Why do so many adversaries of Christianity in the secular world or agnostic world not at least acknowledge the truth about the Christian faith? Why do they look for the sins of the Church but not the virtue, the missionary work the goodness of the message? Is it because they do not want to accept they may be wrong and Jesus Christ just very well may be the One? The one whose many signs and wonders many choose not to accept or think anything of.
Yeah, no. All the nastiness in Islam was learned from Christianity and found in the Jewish texts in the first place. Once Christianity got into power in the ancient world, it destroyed Classical civilization and persecuted the polytheistic religions almost to death. I know what Christians did to my religious ancestors and their once glorious civilization.
 

Valerian

Member
Yeah, no. All the nastiness in Islam was learned from Christianity and found in the Jewish texts in the first place. Once Christianity got into power in the ancient world, it destroyed Classical civilization and persecuted the polytheistic religions almost to death. I know what Christians did to my religious ancestors and their once glorious civilization.
You know if one wants to hate on Christianity then all they have to do is look for transgressions and unfair practices throughout history by certain individuals or bishops or popes or sects within.

But if someone wants to be honest about this, then they must also weigh all that against all of the charity and goodness Christianity has done for a barbaric world that was mostly cruel and uneducated in its ways. Many good Christians suffered greatly to help others. But if you think education, civilization, advancements in medicine and science are of little value then maybe you have a case.

Not to mention how many Christian nations have defended defenseless nations from being wiped out or taken over by godless aggressors. With their own blood. I think you are being extremely unfair in your assessments.
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
There is no comparison between Christianity and other religions like Islam and Mormonism. Both of the latter actually teach that killing and destruction is what their god does. Their books teach hatred for other religions and all non-their religion.
You do realize that Mormonism is a sect of Christianity? That their god is your god? Surely you also know that your book is full of examples of what your god hates, who he kills or commands to be killed, and that you should both hate and oppose other religions?
See:
Matthew 3:10
Matthew 10:14-15 (ref. Genesis 19:24)
Matthew 10:28
Matthew 11:20-24
Matthew 13:41-42
Matthew 15:13
Matthew 25:41
Mark 7:9-10 (ref. Exodus 21:15, Leviticus 20:9, Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Luke 3:17
John 3:18
John 3:36
John 15:6
Acts 3:23
Romans 1:31-32
Romans 5:9
1 Corinthians 3:17
Galatians 1:8-9
Ephesians 5:6
1 Thessalonians 1:10
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

I think that's plenty. The bible, Christianity's book, absolutely teaches hatred. And those are just from the New Testament.

Christianity will never fully reform. Christians have been destroying, killing, and persecuting since Paul, and revere his word as much as Muslims do Mohammed. This is why Christianity is so very dangerous. American Christians want to subject everyone - Christian or no - to Christian law, when this law would be just as oppressive and damaging as Sharia. Therefore, we should perhaps ban Christianity from America, and force Christian leaders to completely reform their atrocious book. Should they refuse, Christianity should be eradicated from our planet. Look, Christianity is not a religion. Religions don't drain their adherents of money and willpower, keeping them under their thumb in all matters. So, it is a business of hatred (read its history).

Plus, they have a choice. They can become part of our modern world, or they can cause constant war and conflict (which they want). Appeasing the Christian world has never worked and it never will. All it does is give them more resources to expand their oppressive empire to then be a formidable foe to global culture. To prove what I say, look at every place Christianity has "invaded". They take over (conquer) build churches and cathedrals everywhere, and destroy and steal the indigenous culture to fit their own greedy needs. When challenged, Christianity threatens or attacks or makes prophecies of destroying America and the world. There have been countless prophecies every year of the "second coming of Jesus" where non-Christians will be destroyed in fire and brimstone. All over perceived injustices and "persecutions". And they whip the people into frenzies of fear and zealotry though, in reality, there was no injustice, just equal rights being given to others.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
You know if one wants to hate on Christianity then all they have to do is look for transgressions and unfair practices throughout history by certain individuals or bishops or popes or sects within.

But if someone wants to be honest about this, then they must also weigh all that against all of the charity and goodness Christianity has done for a barbaric world that was mostly cruel and uneducated in its ways. Many good Christians suffered greatly to help others. But if you think education, civilization, advancements in medicine and science are of little value then maybe you have a case.

Not to mention how many Christian nations have defended defenseless nations from being wiped out or taken over by godless aggressors. With their own blood. I think you are being extremely unfair in your assessments.
You seem to believe that humans are depraved as a rule without Christianity. Ironic, since the polytheists tended to view the Christians as a depraved, anti-human mob full of hubris. Education, science and medicine existed before Christianity and Christianity has gone to great lengths to destroy, obstruct or weaken those things. It's only when Christianity has been weakened or reined in that those things flourish.
 

Valerian

Member
You seem to believe that humans are depraved as a rule without Christianity. Ironic, since the polytheists tended to view the Christians as a depraved, anti-human mob full of hubris. Education, science and medicine existed before Christianity and Christianity has gone to great lengths to destroy, obstruct or weaken those things. It's only when Christianity has been weakened or reined in that those things flourish.

And you seem to think that I "believe" what I say because that is my preference.
No, I believe what I say because of all of that of which I am certain. It is undeniable, to me, the evidence, the reasons, and the empirical evidence for Jesus Christ and Christianity.

But I also wholly reject how you see history and how you see Christianity as some malevolent force upon this "kind and cultured" historical world you must have in your mind. We are worlds apart on many things.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
And you seem to think that I "believe" what I say because that is my preference.
No, I believe what I say because of all of that of which I am certain. It is undeniable, to me, the evidence, the reasons, and the empirical evidence for Jesus Christ and Christianity.

But I also wholly reject how you see history and how you see Christianity as some malevolent force upon this "kind and cultured" historical world you must have in your mind. We are worlds apart on many things.
The world has rarely been "kind", but it has been cultured. Much more cultured before the arrival of Christianity and its imperialistic cultural genocide of native cultures and their folkways. Yes, I do see the Abrahamic religions as mostly malevolent forces. At least the Jews mostly follow a "live and let live" ethos. Too bad you Christians couldn't follow suit.

Apologetics isn't "empirical evidence".
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
You do realize that Mormonism is a sect of Christianity? That their god is your god?
Sonny refuses to acknowledge this fact, Ragin. I can tell you unequivocally that there is nothing you can say to open his tightly shut mind to that fact.

Surely you also know that your book is full of examples of what your god hates, who he kills or commands to be killed, and that you should both hate and oppose other religions?
See:
Matthew 3:10
Matthew 10:14-15 (ref. Genesis 19:24)
Matthew 10:28
Matthew 11:20-24
Matthew 13:41-42
Matthew 15:13
Matthew 25:41
Mark 7:9-10 (ref. Exodus 21:15, Leviticus 20:9, Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Luke 3:17
John 3:18
John 3:36
John 15:6
Acts 3:23
Romans 1:31-32
Romans 5:9
1 Corinthians 3:17
Galatians 1:8-9
Ephesians 5:6
1 Thessalonians 1:10
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

I think that's plenty. The bible, Christianity's book, absolutely teaches hatred. And those are just from the New Testament.
None of that matters to Sonny. You are absolutely wasting your time trying to have any kind of a rational discussion with him. I know; I tried for several dozen posts before finally putting him on ignore. He has been relentless in attacking both Mormonism and Islam, and he doesn't care what lies he has to tell to make his point. I'm assuming that you are actually pagan, and that The Ragin Pagan is not just some completely random screen name you picked for yourself. If, in fact, you are pagan, you'll need to start following Sonny's posts. Pretty soon you'll start to learn "the truth" about what you really believe, and trust me, it won't even resemble what you think you believe. ;)
 
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rockset

New Member
It is true that muslims are always angry, they are so emotional and that is why muslim regions of the world are not habitable.

source: I am exmuslim turkish
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
It is true that muslims are always angry, they are so emotional and that is why muslim regions of the world are not habitable.

source: I am exmuslim turkish
When you start applying adjectives to describe the personalities of 1 billion of the world's people, your stereotyping pretty much becomes meaningless.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Yeah will you tell RP that??? (the bolded part). Ragin Pagan I will own the history of my religion, but that's what it is..... history. Much of Islam today hasn't changed from when it was founded. Don't believe me? Go to one of their mosques and insult Allah etc. Or write a book called the satanic verses and get a bounty put on your life by a high ranking Islamic authority. Christianity is different.

psychoslice sorry for using your quote to talk to RP in third party mode .....
No problem, I like what you said.
 

Ubon

Member
They probably get angry because they have to talk to you and you annoy them. You who has nothing better to do than debate unprovable things like religion and obviously loves talking trash about Muslims.

Oosh day.
So when during my discussions with them did i trash talk their religion, please tell me what i said
 

kiwimac

Brother Napalm of God's Love
Hatred, violence and anger are human problems. They are not limited to a set of religious or political beliefs. If all religions disappeared at 6 am tomorrow we'd have a new reason to fight and hurt and kill by 6:05.
 

Ashraf

Member
This excellent video shows the true intent of Islam.


Moreover, they have the disrespect to accuse us of Islamophobia.

How many other religions use acid attacks or bury people alive?

How many other religions force people to set themselves on fire as the only means of escape?

How many other religions still support slavery?

Should you fear being lynched because you have been accused of burning the Quran?

It goes on!

Is this what we want in the West?

Moderate Muslims should be just as concerned as I am. It is time they stood up and denounce these doctrines. Ignorance is no excuse.

Correct me if I am wrong but it is people not religions who commit crimes. To blame a religion for the evil doing of a person is extremely stupid. There is nothing in Islam that demands someone to set themselves on fire as a "mean of escape". You are making that up . Support slavery you claim? Prove it. Islam came when slavery was already a way of life in all civilizations and it was not Muslims who invented it. As a matter of fact, the Quran provided so many ways to free slaves
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Correct me if I am wrong but it is people not religions who commit crimes. To blame a religion for the evil doing of a person is extremely stupid. There is nothing in Islam that demands someone to set themselves on fire as a "mean of escape". You are making that up . Support slavery you claim? Prove it. Islam came when slavery was already a way of life in all civilizations and it was not Muslims who invented it. As a matter of fact, the Quran provided so many ways to free slaves

As I said, Moderate Muslims should be just as concerned as I am. It is time they stood up and denounce these doctrines. Ignorance is no excuse.

Did you watch the video?
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
Religions are also made up of people, as was mentioned a while back, and when people do things in the name of their god - for good or ill - it reflects on the religion. Ashraf's post exemplifies my argument that such responses ("It's not us", "It's not Islam") are solving nothing. Join the fray against people like ISIL, work to correct the archaic extremes in your religion, and then something can be made better.
 

1robin

Christian/Baptist
I have debated Christians, hindus, sikhs etc

However i have found muslims are quick to anger in what should be a normal conversation if you disagree or express an opinion contrary to there belief.

They will happily explain why Buddha came from the devil, but if you give your opinion on Muhammad you can see they would kill you if given half a chance.
Yes they are quite capable. They some how waged a defensive war of convert, pay a higher tax, or die in conquering much of the Mediterranean world. They made so much additional tax revenue from those that didn't convert that they even outlawed converting to Islam in several of the nations they conquered, while some how defending at the same time. Did you know that for the first dozen or so peaceful years of Islam, Muhammad had about 150 followers (mostly friends and relatives), however during the next dozen violent years or so of Islam, when Muhammad had money and power to bestow after raiding all the caravans he could find, he gained over a hundred thousand followers? Peace sells, but Muhammad wasn't buying.
 
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