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Islamic prohibition on rape
- Thread starter JerryL
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JerryL said:
God in the Quran , condemns all the elements that constitute the crime of rape, i.e. Sex, violence, and oppression.
God strongly condemns any kind of sexual relationships out side of marriage.
[5:5] …….. You shall maintain CHASTITY, not committing adultery, nor taking secret lovers. Anyone who rejects faith, all his work will be in vain, and in the Hereafter he will be with the losers.
[24:30] Tell the believing men that they shall subdue their eyes (and not stare at the women), and to maintain their CHASTITY. This is purer for them. GOD is fully Cognizant of everything they do.
[24:31] And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their CHASTITY.
About the believers; God teaches us;
[23:5] And they maintain their CHASTITY.
And in Sura (Chapter) 70, again
[70:29] They keep their CHASTITY.
In addition to condemnation of the sexual crime involved in rape as we can see above, God strongly condemns the oppression element of rape in the strongest possible language. God, in the Quran, describes oppression as "worse than murder." This puts rape among the worst crimes committed by a human being in the sight of God.
God in the Quran also did not save the words to condemn prostitution, especially when oppression and forcing the young girls is a factor and this makes it different than a prostitution practiced by consenting adults, and it would place it in the category of rape. Of course both kinds are condemned but adding the oppression factor changes its nature into a rape with its consequence of higher need for a stronger punishment.
[24:33] ……..You shall not force your girls to commit prostitution, seeking the materials of this world, if they wish to be chaste. If anyone forces them, then GOD, seeing that they are forced, is Forgiver, Merciful.
JerryL
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The quotes seem to tell muslisms not to have sex. I'm not sure I see the prohibition against rape.
I know that the Bible has no such prohibition, I'm looking to see if the Quran fixes that or not. Could you cite the passage you alluded to saying rape was worse than murder?
That's along the lines of what I'm looking for. Where in the Quran is it?
Prostitution is its own critter. There may be a rape involved, but I'm interested in condemnation of rape itself.
I know that the Bible has no such prohibition, I'm looking to see if the Quran fixes that or not. Could you cite the passage you alluded to saying rape was worse than murder?
This is how a muslim must have sex "only in marriage"JerryL said:
"(Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time, when you have given their due Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girl-friends". The Noble Qur'an 5:5
and about the rape you can read from this link in details:
During the time of the Prophet (saw) punishment was inflicted on the rapist on the solitary evidence of the woman who was raped by him. Wa'il ibn Hujr reports of an incident when a woman was raped. Later, when some people came by, she identified and accused the man of raping her. They seized him and brought him to Allah's messenger, who said to the woman, "Go away, for Allâh has forgiven you," but of the man who had raped her, he said, "Stone him to death." (Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud)
During the time when Umar (raa) was the Khalifah, a woman accused his son Abu Shahmah of raping her; she brought the infant borne of this incident with her to the mosque and publicly spoke about what had happened. Umar (raa) asked his son who acknowledged committing the crime and was duly punished right there and then. There was no punishment given to the woman. (Rauf)
JerryL
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But were these punishments for rape or for illicit sex?
Can you give me an example of someone being punished for raping their wife? I'm not clear from the site or your passages that rape is disallowed. (though I can see that the "don't harm people" rule might include this, but I'm looking for a more specific prohibition).
Can you give me an example of someone being punished for raping their wife? I'm not clear from the site or your passages that rape is disallowed. (though I can see that the "don't harm people" rule might include this, but I'm looking for a more specific prohibition).
God rules is much higher and accurate than what human beings may come up with.JerryL said:
God even prohibited staring at women (when our intention is to enjoy looking at her body and stuff) but it's ok if we look at them accidentaly or just in order to deal with them but not to enjoy looking at them. Even though you did look at them no punishment will be accure but it will decrease our faith.
For rape there is no such a thing in Quran called: Don't rape women because it's obvious for everybody and even before Islam people were not allowing it. Quran was dealing with things that may be OK for some people and not for others such as illegal sex, alcohol and gambling .. etc.
It's obvious not for Muslims but for all human beings that rape is not legal. If God says for example to people at that time "Don't rape women" so what is the point in this verse because they know that it's not a legal and ethical act. This how Quran is a miracle, this how Quran is different.
In religion, this is a very new concept, and is not fair to attack Islam or Christianity for this. Remember that in the original marriage vows, women swore an oath before God that they would obey their husbands and completely honour them with their bodies. A literal interpretation of this sacred oath would mean that rape within marriage would be impossible, as the woman would have no right to refuse anything.JerryL said:
In the modern world it is different. Very few women swear that oath, and neither should they. This means that they have not promised to be totally submissive, and therefore they have the right to refuse anything. These new rules were imposed a long time after the Bible and the Qu'ran were finalised. So it is impossible to expect them to include a prohibition on rape within marriage, when it was technically impossible in those days.
Aren't these books suppose to be timeless, so it should make no difference when any act is taking place there should be a specific verse somewhere to cover it. Oh yeah you can interpret almost any verse to mean what you want it to. These books are not timeless they speak of an ancient people in an ancient time with ancient views knowing nothing of the world we know today and the things we know. They are just old story books and not even well written.Merlin said:
Faint
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Exactly, and as Merlin is also implying, rape is a new subject in religion because back in the old days, women had very few rights as actual human beings (which is still a trend in predominantly muslim societies). It's not surprising of the Quran to reflect this.Radar said:
JerryL
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Isn't this equally obvious for murder? I'll bet that the Quran has a specific and spelled-out prohibition on murder.The Truth said:
Only some sex is illegal... hence why I asked about spousal rape.
Which one did God want? Did God want you to force yourself on your wife against her will? Support your answer.
I hope that you didn't ASSUME what you are just saying but you really read the whole "story book" as you rename it.Radar said:
Even though anyone didn't know where in Quran is that or that "for people who don't memorize Quran like me" so that dosn't mean that it's not there.
I'm not aware of every single verse of Quran and i'm still learning everyday.
When i see a thread like this for example so this thing will make me go and read and learn more "even though i know the answer in general".
I hope you can understand that not about Muslims only but even Christians, Jews and other religions as well. Most of those followers may knows the truth but they may have problem with proving it to athiest for example if they are not aware of the holy books in term of analyzing and knowledge. The same with me because i'm just a guy who has faith and i'm still learning "even my own religion" as a knowledge and rules in this life until now.
This is a long subject so I would recommend you to visit
http://www.submission.org/women/rape.html
If you have any questions after reading that article go to http://askmuslims.com and post in their forums or e-mail them, they are quick in answering your questions.
http://www.submission.org/women/rape.html
If you have any questions after reading that article go to http://askmuslims.com and post in their forums or e-mail them, they are quick in answering your questions.
Faint
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I read this...it has the same points The Truth mentioned--lots of talk about "chastity", and not forcing girls to become "prostitutes", but again, no specifics about rape. For instance, "[5:5] .. You shall maintain CHASTITY, not committing adultery, nor taking secret lovers. Anyone who rejects faith, all his work will be in vain, and in the Hereafter he will be with the losers. " Adultery and secret lovers are not necessarily rape.flysky said:
what is the Islamic perspective on incest and rape?
According to Islâm, a woman has to be respected and protected under all circumstances, whether she belongs to your own nation or to the nation of an enemy, whether she follows your religion or belongs to some other religion or has no religion at all. A Muslim cannot outrage her under any circumstances. All promiscuous relationships have been forbidden to him, irrespective of the status or position of the woman, whether the woman is a willing or an unwilling partner to the act. The words of the Holy Qurân in this respect are: "Do not approach (the bounds of) adultery" (17:32). Heavy punishment has been prescribed for this crime, and the order has not been qualified by any conditions. Since the violation of chastity of a woman is forbidden in Islam, a Muslim who perpetrates this crime cannot escape punishment. (Maudoodi)
The Quran has, in various ways and in different contexts; impressed on men that they must observe the limits set by God (Hudûd Allah) in respect to women and must not encroach upon their rights in either marriage or divorce. In all situations it is the men who are reminded, corrected and reprimanded, over and over again, to be generous to women and to be kind, compassionate, fair and just in their dealings with women. Even in divorce, when the chances of anger and vindictiveness are high, it is stressed that men are to separate with grace, equity and generosity.
Forbidding cruelty against children and women is apparent from rulings against female infanticide and rights of inheritance given even to an unborn child; and the kindness mandated even when divorcing your wife. There are numerous ahâdîth about the rights of children to respect and dignity. The same holds true for respect and the unprecedented rights given to women.
Relevant verses from the Quran:
Sûrah an Nâs 4.119
'O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will...'
Sûrah an Nûr 24.33
'... And do not, in order to gain some of the fleeting pleasures of this worldly life, coerce your slave women into whoredom if they are desirous of marriage, and if anyone should coerce them, then, verily, after they have been compelled (to submit in their helplessness), God will be much forgiving, a dispenser of grace (to them).
During the time of the Prophet (saw) punishment was inflicted on the rapist on the solitary evidence of the woman who was raped by him. Wa'il ibn Hujr reports of an incident when a woman was raped. Later, when some people came by, she identified and accused the man of raping her. They seized him and brought him to Allah's messenger, who said to the woman, "Go away, for Allâh has forgiven you," but of the man who had raped her, he said, "Stone him to death." (Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud)
According to Islâm, a woman has to be respected and protected under all circumstances, whether she belongs to your own nation or to the nation of an enemy, whether she follows your religion or belongs to some other religion or has no religion at all. A Muslim cannot outrage her under any circumstances. All promiscuous relationships have been forbidden to him, irrespective of the status or position of the woman, whether the woman is a willing or an unwilling partner to the act. The words of the Holy Qurân in this respect are: "Do not approach (the bounds of) adultery" (17:32). Heavy punishment has been prescribed for this crime, and the order has not been qualified by any conditions. Since the violation of chastity of a woman is forbidden in Islam, a Muslim who perpetrates this crime cannot escape punishment. (Maudoodi)
The Quran has, in various ways and in different contexts; impressed on men that they must observe the limits set by God (Hudûd Allah) in respect to women and must not encroach upon their rights in either marriage or divorce. In all situations it is the men who are reminded, corrected and reprimanded, over and over again, to be generous to women and to be kind, compassionate, fair and just in their dealings with women. Even in divorce, when the chances of anger and vindictiveness are high, it is stressed that men are to separate with grace, equity and generosity.
Forbidding cruelty against children and women is apparent from rulings against female infanticide and rights of inheritance given even to an unborn child; and the kindness mandated even when divorcing your wife. There are numerous ahâdîth about the rights of children to respect and dignity. The same holds true for respect and the unprecedented rights given to women.
Relevant verses from the Quran:
Sûrah an Nâs 4.119
'O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will...'
Sûrah an Nûr 24.33
'... And do not, in order to gain some of the fleeting pleasures of this worldly life, coerce your slave women into whoredom if they are desirous of marriage, and if anyone should coerce them, then, verily, after they have been compelled (to submit in their helplessness), God will be much forgiving, a dispenser of grace (to them).
During the time of the Prophet (saw) punishment was inflicted on the rapist on the solitary evidence of the woman who was raped by him. Wa'il ibn Hujr reports of an incident when a woman was raped. Later, when some people came by, she identified and accused the man of raping her. They seized him and brought him to Allah's messenger, who said to the woman, "Go away, for Allâh has forgiven you," but of the man who had raped her, he said, "Stone him to death." (Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud)