"Islamic" "State" fighters using US arms

[Matemkar]

"Islamic" "State" fighters appear to be using captured US military issue arms and weapons supplied to rebels in Syria by Saudi Arabia, according to a report published on Monday.

The study by the London-based small-arms research organisation Conflict Armament Research documented weapons seized by Kurdish forces from militants in Iraq and Syria over a 10-day period in July.

The report said the "jihadists" disposed of significant quantities of US-made small arms including M16 assault rifles and included photos showing the markings Property of US Govt.

It also found that anti-tank rockets used by "IS" in Syria were identical to M79 rockets transferred by Saudi Arabia to forces operating under the Free Syrian Army umbrella in 2013.

The rockets were made in the then Yugoslavia in the 1980s.

"Islamic" "State" is believed to have also seized large quantities of weapons from Syrian military installations it has captured, as well as arms supplied by the United States to the Iraqi army after it swept through northern Iraq in recent weeks.

Islamic State fighters using US arms: study

 

[Matemkar]

I need to note that Turkish regime's support for the cannibals there is the worst (worse than USA and Saudi-Qatari backing) yet it is the most secret one. But there were some stupid moves which they made, such as MIT (intelligence servies of Turkey) not informing Jandarma about one of their many convoys transfering arms to the insurgents in Syria. So, the Jandarma, because they did not believe in the words of the drivers, unknowingly arrested some MIT members and seized the Turkish arms which were meant for insurgents in Syria. Please see the video:

www.aljazeera.com.tr/haber/mit-tirlari-boyle-durduruldu

Pics:

And all this support for the terrorists in the ME is for one thing. Destroying the ME nations and reshaping the regional map. Erdoğan, the president of Turkey, admitted many times that he is the pioneer in America's New North Africa and Middle East project. And what he is doing in the region is for this project:

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AKP Recep Tayyip Erdo

And he says, Diyarbakır (a city which consists of mainly Kurds in Turkey) will be a star in this.

And all the actions of the USA and its subserviant states in the region, such as first destabilizing Syria and Iraq through supporting takfiri terrorists... And now arming and supporting Kurds in Iraq, but not the Syrian and Iraqi armies, against these takfiri terrorists is for the same reason. Because next, the armed Kurds will be used for the same project. Instead of the "Free" "Syrian" "State" and "Islamic" "State" fighters, we will hear about the "Free" "Kurdistan" and "Free" "Kurdish" "State" fighters.

Anyway, I pray that the unity of Syrian and Iraqi nations and their armies stop these evil plans cause more damage. And that they eliminate all the USA-Saudi-Qatari-Turkish backed insurgents. Because all these governments-kingdoms and their takfiri gangs made the ME nations suffer. And I hope these sufferings end. Thanks.

 

[beenie]

This is nothing new. Anyone who doesn't see that the US has supplied Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Hizbollah, Hamas, etc., with weaponry is blind.

However, conspiracy theories about how Muslims aren't doing any of this and it's all US/Israelis under the guise of Muslims do nothing to solve the problem. There's a difference of trying to understand WHY these groups have formed and continually denying they're "Muslims" to begin with. Get real and we can make progress.

 

[Flankerl]

This is nothing new. Anyone who doesn't see that the US has supplied Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Hizbollah, Hamas, etc., with weaponry is blind.

This is going to be a real shocker but there is a world wide black market for weapons. I know that shocked me too.

You can get any US weapon through this black market without the US supplying the black market.

Hezbollah for example got many US weapons after the US left Lebanon and simply left the weapons there.
And IS got most US weapons out of Iraqi bases after the Army fled.

And its far more plausible that the terrorist groups you mentioned got weapons through shady dealings in Arab/Muslim countries who get supplied by the US.



Or you could claim that the US ships its weapons straight to terrorists without any evidence.

 

[beenie]

This is going to be a real shocker but there is a world wide black market for weapons. I know that shocked me too.

You can get any US weapon through this black market without the US supplying the black market.

Hezbollah for example got many US weapons after the US left Lebanon and simply left the weapons there.
And IS got most US weapons out of Iraqi bases after the Army fled.

And its far more plausible that the terrorist groups you mentioned got weapons through shady dealings in Arab/Muslim countries who get supplied by the US.



Or you could claim that the US ships its weapons straight to terrorists without any evidence.

Sorry if I was vague... I agree that these organizations got their weapons left from US withdrawal. I'm not saying the US is actively supplying these groups with weapons.

It's been a long morning. I should have worded my post completely differently, apologies.

 

[columbus]

Sorry if I was vague... I agree that these organizations got their weapons left from US withdrawal. I'm not saying the US is actively supplying these groups with weapons.

It's been a long morning. I should have worded my post completely differently, apologies.

I understood you quite well.

One of the ugliest tendencies my country has is supplying weapons willy-nilly for profit. To add insult to injury they are often gifts made in my name, as a US taxpayer.

Shortsighted and narrow views often result in arming our enemies. Like the Taliban and Hussein and ISIS, we keep supplying weapons to people we think we understand but don't. I remember when US leaders like McCain wanted the taxpayers to supply ISIS with antiaircraft missiles because Assad had such air superiority. Wouldn't it be ironic if we were now trying to dodge our own missiles to strike ISIS?


I also understand Matemkar although I think he is wrong. He believes all the problems in the ME are the responsibility of the Great Satan. He is unable to see the part Islam and Muslims play in this debacle. He must blame non Muslims, because otherwise he'd see that ISIS is just Muslims reverting to the violence that worked so well for them centuries ago.

Matemkar reminds me of the Christians who claim that the guys operating the "ovens" of Dachau couldn't possibly be Christians because Christians don't do that sort of thing.

Tom

 

[Matemkar]

Please ask me my beliefs rather than making up suppositions:

He believes all the problems in the ME are the responsibility of the Great Satan.

I don't deny the existence of problems. But I point out the fact that the problems add up and don't end because of the great satan.

And there is no point in me talking about criminal minds of some Muslims here. I do that on Muslim forums so that some youth who have no jobs, families or aims in this life do not join these sufyani movements. But me talking about it here won't do any good to stop this evil movement. And because the majority of members here are non-Muslims, I focus on the non-Muslim regimes policies in adding up to the problems.

So my focus on certain things is not out of defending that all Muslims are innocent. No, there is no such thing. But, I don't see any point in discussing a non-Muslim such as why wahabi-salafi ideas are Islamically false and why when they gain power, they cause nothing but destruction.

He is unable to see the part Islam and Muslims play in this debacle.

Islam does not play a part in this. But some "Muslims", namely cannibals among wahabi-salafis do.

He must blame non Muslims, because otherwise he'd see that ISIS is just Muslims reverting to the violence that worked so well for them centuries ago.

I don't blame anyone. I stand up against who commit crimes whether "Muslims" or non-Muslims. And I don't know who and what centuries exactly you mean by the terms such as 'them' and 'centuries ago'. But you need to know that shia Islam is about questioning the history and current events. And "tawalla and tabarra" that is "association to the men of God and disassociation from the enemies of God and the nation" is one of the ten furu ad-din (Ancillaries of Religion) in Shia Islam. So, a shia Muslim should disassociate with the enemies of God and the nation be them from the same "faith". Unlike the sunni brethren who do not question history, especially of companions (who had infights some decades after the demise of the Holy Prophet) and their next generations, we do question history and criticize the wrongdoers, be them among the companions of the Prophet or tabieen (the next generations). Same goes for all the history and today. That is why, because of this questioning of the crimes of caliphs-kings, etc., shiite Muslims have been persecuted all the time. In any case, your supposition that I only speak against non-Muslim criminals is false. I also condemn some Muslims in the history and today and their crimes. But, here on this forum, where some idiots think of American interference as a good thing, I feel I need to point out the fact that, had the great satan and its "Muslim" allies in the region (KSA, Turkey and Qatar) not supported these criminals, they could have been eliminated by Syrian and Iraqi armies long ago.

And I really don't care what you are reminded of when you see me or what supposed commonalities you think I have with them. But you remind me of yourself and no other because every human being is different.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Sorry if I was vague... I agree that these organizations got their weapons left from US withdrawal. I'm not saying the US is actively supplying these groups with weapons.

It's been a long morning. I should have worded my post completely differently, apologies.

Don't be hard on yourself ma'am. Those are US goods that ended up on the wrong side, no matter how it happened. I'm not saying it is something to be taken against the US, I'm only saying that it could be controversial.

 

[Matemkar]

This is nothing new. Anyone who doesn't see that the US has supplied Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Hizbollah, Hamas, etc., with weaponry is blind.

However, conspiracy theories about how Muslims aren't doing any of this and it's all US/Israelis under the guise of Muslims do nothing to solve the problem. There's a difference of trying to understand WHY these groups have formed and continually denying they're "Muslims" to begin with. Get real and we can make progress.

Sister, US does not supply Hizbullah and Hamas but it supplies the zionist entity. As for the rest of the groups you mentioned, such as al-Qaeda and ISIS, yes it does, namely in Syria.

And about your main point, I adressed it in the above post. Thanks.

 

[niceguy]

There is this principle "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" that some misguided people believe in. I am not one of them, I prefer friendship with me to stand on it's own merits. This way you avoid nasty surprises when your "ally" suddenly turn on you. It is also a good idea to avoid collateral damage when you go to war or you soon have even more enemies, maybe your former ally even. Finally stop propping up an "ally" that clearly do not want peace with it's neighbours. Once the flood of aid dries up, they be forced to take peace talks seriously.

 

[Alceste]

Don't be hard on yourself ma'am. Those are US goods that ended up on the wrong side, no matter how it happened. I'm not saying it is something to be taken against the US, I'm only saying that it could be controversial.

In both Afghanistan and Iraq, the US aggressively recruited and trained the locals, providing them with arms before shuffling them off to join domestic security forces. The ostensible aim was to strengthen the new puppet governments' resistance to the Islamist insurgency.

In practice, though, members of the Islamist insurgency went through basic training to obtain their weapons and then returned to their terror cells to use them against the US occupation, their traditional enemies and their own governments.

Now, it has to be said that if the US military didn't see that one coming they are probably the stupidest people on the face of the earth. But it's hard for me to see what geopolitical aims they thought could be achieved by intentionally handing out weapons and training to their enemies.

 

[Smart_Guy]

In both Afghanistan and Iraq, the US aggressively recruited and trained the locals, providing them with arms before shuffling them off to join domestic security forces. The ostensible aim was to strengthen the new puppet governments' resistance to the Islamist insurgency.

In practice, though, members of the Islamist insurgency went through basic training to obtain their weapons and then returned to their terror cells to use them against the US occupation, their traditional enemies and their own governments.

Now, it has to be said that if the US military didn't see that one coming they are probably the stupidest people on the face of the earth. But it's hard for me to see what geopolitical aims they thought could be achieved by intentionally handing out weapons and training to their enemies.

This is, um, too complicated to my poor mind to understand. Politics heh.

Thanks for the overview

 

[Alceste]

This is, um, too complicated to my poor mind to understand. Politics heh.

Thanks for the overview

Sorry, your English is so good I sometimes forget I should use more normal words for clarity.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Sorry, your English is so good I sometimes forget I should use more normal words for clarity.

More normal political words makes it even more complicated to yours truly

"Geopolitical" almost gave me muscle cramps in my brain

 

[s2a]

Please ask me my beliefs rather than making up suppositions:

I care nothing of your beliefs within this context.

I don't deny the existence of problems. But I point out the fact that the problems add up and don't end because of the great satan.

How courageous of you. If we promise to ignore you, we you leave the rest of us to do whatever we like?

And there is no point in me talking about criminal minds of some Muslims here. I do that on Muslim forums so that some youth who have no jobs, families or aims in this life do not join these sufyani movements. But me talking about it here won't do any good to stop this evil movement. And because the majority of members here are non-Muslims, I focus on the non-Muslim regimes policies in adding up to the problems.

I confess some ignorance here. Do you have a favored century, or place in times past that best fits your ideology and cultural ideals? Any nations or peoples or cultures that just don't fit into a Muslim worldview? If so, then what?

So my focus on certain things is not out of defending that all Muslims are innocent. No, there is no such thing. But, I don't see any point in discussing a non-Muslim such as why wahabi-salafi ideas are Islamically false and why when they gain power, they cause nothing but destruction.

No argument here from all the Great Satan nations. Now what?

Islam does not play a part in this. But some "Muslims", namely cannibals among wahabi-salafis do.

Oh my. Then it might also be fair to observe that not all citizens of "The Great Satan" are ignoramus warmongers as well. And almost none are cannibals.

I don't blame anyone. I stand up against who commit crimes whether "Muslims" or non-Muslims. And I don't know who and what centuries exactly you mean by the terms such as 'them' and 'centuries ago'. But you need to know that shia Islam is about questioning the history and current events. And "tawalla and tabarra" that is "association to the men of God and disassociation from the enemies of God and the nation" is one of the ten furu ad-din (Ancillaries of Religion) in Shia Islam. So, a shia Muslim should disassociate with the enemies of God and the nation be them from the same "faith". Unlike the sunni brethren who do not question history, especially of companions (who had infights some decades after the demise of the Holy Prophet) and their next generations, we do question history and criticize the wrongdoers, be them among the companions of the Prophet or tabieen (the next generations). Same goes for all the history and today. That is why, because of this questioning of the crimes of caliphs-kings, etc., shiite Muslims have been persecuted all the time. In any case, your supposition that I only speak against non-Muslim criminals is false. I also condemn some Muslims in the history and today and their crimes. But, here on this forum, where some idiots think of American interference as a good thing, I feel I need to point out the fact that, had the great satan and its "Muslim" allies in the region (KSA, Turkey and Qatar) not supported these criminals, they could have been eliminated by Syrian and Iraqi armies long ago.

Cool. But if you are of that self-deceiving notion that your views are "righteous and just" to the exclusion of any other conceptions of this world by many many other peoples, you are wrong, and there are always consequences for being wrong..no matter how justified you may feel your actions, motivations, or justifications may be.

And I really don't care what you are reminded of when you see me or what supposed commonalities you think I have with them. But you remind me of yourself and no other because every human being is different.

Yes, that's true.

And if it makes you feel more in common with the rest of the thoughtful world at all, I don't care what you may see, recall, or just plain think about me either. I don't care.

But I promise a repercussion of retribution will visit any nation, religion, or culture..if any seek to export, implement, or force others to accept any views that contradict their own.

Don't poke a bear while it still sleeps. You won't like it when you wake it up and make it really mad.

 

[Matemkar]

I care nothing of your beliefs within this context.

I was talking to columbus who made suppositions about my beliefs and views. Are you columbus?

How courageous of you. If we promise to ignore you, we you leave the rest of us to do whatever we like?

I don't understand what you mean by this, but I need to make it clear that, your domestic matters is none of my business. Islamic ruling is clear on this (i.e. majority of a nation deciding their own fate, how they are governed, etc.), with the motto of "al-hukmu li-aksar" (judgment is passed according to the majority). So, a nation decides their own fate and do whatever they choose to, regarding domestic affairs. And I by no means do not interfere in the domestic policies of other nations. But I can and do speak on their foreign policy. And here, though how sad it is, I am sharing this info about what the foreign policy of the USA regime leads to and causes, so as to show how the claims of the regime about spreading peace, freedom and democracy to the world is a joke.

I confess some ignorance here. Do you have a favored century, or place in times past that best fits your ideology and cultural ideals?

Seems you care after all. That is nice. If I have to be specific, I gan give the time of Prophet (s.a.a) and ruling of Imam Ali (a.s) as examples and the Islamic Revolution of Iran today which has lacking due to the limitations but alhamdolellah still improving herself.

Oh my. Then it might also be fair to observe that not all citizens of "The Great Satan" are ignoramus warmongers as well. And almost none are cannibals.

Sure, I know that. Except the bully regime which invades lands, destroys countries, kill and displace nations and plunders their sources, and the few people who support this foreign policy, yes, all citizens of America are not like that.

Cool. But if you are of that self-deceiving notion that your views are "righteous and just" to the exclusion of any other conceptions of this world by many many other peoples, you are wrong, and there are always consequences for being wrong..no matter how justified you may feel your actions, motivations, or justifications may be.

What do you mean by exclusion of other conceptions and consequences? I am not some religious and political pluralist. And of course I have my views of righteous and just. But it doesn't mean I am against coexistence, peace and understanding between different communities.

But I promise a repercussion of retribution will visit any nation, religion, or culture..if any seek to export, implement, or force others to accept any views that contradict their own.

Indeed, I totally believe in this. And I think it applies for the US regime and its Muslim allies in the ME and North Africa, because what I have always seen in the ME is; many invasions, massacres, displacements, plundering, etc. in the name of spreading the so-called "democracy" (with the help of subserviant kings and sheikhs) which is exactly what you described as "seeking to export, implement, or force others to accept any views that contradict their own".

I hope I make sense. Thanks.

 

[s2a]

I was talking to columbus who made suppositions about my beliefs and views. Are you columbus?

Nice attempted dodge.

Of course I'm not "colombus", but this is an OPEN forum.

You remain invited to speak for yourself.

I don't understand what you mean by this, but I need to make it clear that, your domestic matters is none of my business.

Bull. You understand, but choose not to elucidate. That's a fine stand to choose as a defense attorney of an accused, but for you to claim you have no opinion on the matter is BS.

Islamic ruling is clear on this (i.e. majority of a nation deciding their own fate, how they are governed, etc.), with the motto of "al-hukmu li-aksar" (judgment is passed according to the majority). So, a nation decides their own fate and do whatever they choose to, regarding domestic affairs. And I by no means do not interfere in the domestic policies of other nations. But I can and do speak on their foreign policy. And here, though how sad it is, I am sharing this info about what the foreign policy of the USA regime leads to and causes, so as to show how the claims of the regime about spreading peace, freedom and democracy to the world is a joke.

Ahhh, there it is. Thank you. Your opinion is now noted.

Seems you care after all. That is nice. If I have to be specific, I gan give the time of Prophet (s.a.a) and ruling of Imam Ali (a.s) as examples and the Islamic Revolution of Iran today which has lacking due to the limitations but alhamdolellah still improving herself.

That is kind, but you misunderstand me here.

NO, I do not care whatever you "believe" is true, or to be "Truth". I promise. I do not care at all.

Sure, I know that. Except the bully regime which invades lands, destroys countries, kill and displace nations and plunders their sources, and the few people who support this foreign policy, yes, all citizens of America are not like that.

Sure. Just well understand that within an elective democracy that not only allows, but even invites popular debate and discussion regarding US policy and direction, there will remain (often significant) differences of opinion. It's much more convenient and expedient to either abide by some singular expression of "mission" and singular opinion from a singular source absent any alternative perspectives. It just is. This may well explain the ambivalence to the tenure of KIngs, Rabbis, or Sultans in centuries past. Don't explain anything..."just tell me who to hate, and where our enemy lives". Simple.

What do you mean by exclusion of other conceptions and consequences? I am not some religious and political pluralist. And of course I have my views of righteous and just. But it doesn't mean I am against coexistence, peace and understanding between different communities.

Good,. Then as a "pacifist" yourself, you are invited to speak out aganst any concerted interest that feels murder of non-combatants and innocent children is somehow justified as some everlasting grudge or "get-even" motive of justification. This rationale will never achieve any hopes or dreams of any people that hope to seek peace, or just be left alone.

Be nice.
Behave.
Get along.

Or get out of the way.

Indeed, I totally believe in this. And I think it applies for the US regime and its Muslim allies in the ME and North Africa, because what I have always seen in the ME is; many invasions, massacres, displacements, plundering, etc. in the name of spreading the so-called "democracy" (with the help of subserviant kings and sheikhs) which is exactly what you described as "seeking to export, implement, or force others to accept any views that contradict their own".

Good.

Whatever "choice" peoples of the World may accept as most beneficial to their own "culture", so be it. Just don't ask anyone else to accept that "choice". When the mice of the World roar and insist that all others must succumb and submit to their specific views...rebellion and even war will ensue as reply.

I hope I make sense. Thanks.

It may make sense, but is not an acceptable or tenable position to accept. I hope you might understand that point too.

The times of combat waged solely upon horse, with swords and arrows is long over.

It's not "cowardice" that dictates such terms. It's the reality of "modern" warfare. Religious "extremism" and it's impotence and continuing failures in combat that lost those waged battles centuries ago.

I suggest you watch "The Last Samurai" movie. The noble and brave samurais fought to the last warrior, with courage and and nobility, honoring the traditions of ancient warfare and "fair" combat...and lost to the inevitability of modern warfare anyway.

This is the inevitable outcome awaiting any "Holy War" protagonists.

It's always been this way, and will forever remain so. Even when the rebellious feel their cause is "justified" by their "god".

They lose.

 

[Godobeyer]

I understood you quite well.

One of the ugliest tendencies my country has is supplying weapons willy-nilly for profit. To add insult to injury they are often gifts made in my name, as a US taxpayer.

Shortsighted and narrow views often result in arming our enemies. Like the Taliban and Hussein and ISIS, we keep supplying weapons to people we think we understand but don't. I remember when US leaders like McCain wanted the taxpayers to supply ISIS with antiaircraft missiles because Assad had such air superiority. Wouldn't it be ironic if we were now trying to dodge our own missiles to strike ISIS?


I also understand Matemkar although I think he is wrong. He believes all the problems in the ME are the responsibility of the Great Satan. He is unable to see the part Islam and Muslims play in this debacle. He must blame non Muslims, because otherwise he'd see that ISIS is just Muslims reverting to the violence that worked so well for them centuries ago.

Matemkar reminds me of the Christians who claim that the guys operating the "ovens" of Dachau couldn't possibly be Christians because Christians don't do that sort of thing.

Tom

funny thing US supply the most racist and extremist regimes in the region :

"Israel ,Isis"

I just wonder why , ISIS hesitate(don't dare) to attack Israel from Syrian border ?!!!

 

[Flankerl]

I just wonder why , ISIS hesitate(don't dare) to attack Israel from Syrian border ?!!!

Probably because Al-Nusra controls the border atm.

 

[dantech]

funny thing US supply the most racist and extremist regimes in the region :

"Israel ,Isis"

I just wonder why , ISIS hesitate(don't dare) to attack Israel from Syrian border ?!!!

You would love that wouldn't you! A few more dead Jews is always a good thing.