Islamofascism?

[Deidre]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism

I ran across this term today, and honestly didn't know this was a thing? What do you think about this term, do you think it has any merit, and is it relevant when discussing fascism in a broader sense, in comparison to Islam?

 

[Sunstone]

Apparently, Islamofascism need not be thought of as being intrinsic to Islam. That most likely won't stop some folks from arguing that it is, though.

 

[Deidre]

Apparently, Islamofascism need not be thought of as being intrinsic to Islam. That most likely won't stop some folks from arguing that it is, though.

It seems to be one of those terms that is purposely divisive. I suspect we could attach any word before phobia, or fascism, or any other ''trigger'' words, and reach polarizing effects.

I have read that people do see a connection between fascism and Islam, in general. But, usually those are people who see Islam as ''created'' to control people. A lot of people may think that though of the Abrahamic faiths, in general. (controlling)

 

[LuisDantas]

I first heard of it in the first few years of the 2000 decade, for obvious reasons.

Its clear intent is to present Islaam as a scary thing. Which does not mean that it is not accurate; Islaam certainly has a remarkable affinity to lend itself to the legitimization of totalitarisms.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I first heard of it in the first few years of the 2000 decade, for obvious reasons.

Its clear intent is to present Islaam as a scary thing. Which does not mean that it is not accurate; Islaam certainly has a remarkable affinity to lend itself to the legitimization of totalitarisms.

Just like any other dogmatic belief system when taken to extremes.

 

[Nakosis]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism

I ran across this term today, and honestly didn't know this was a thing? What do you think about this term, do you think it has any merit, and is it relevant when discussing fascism in a broader sense, in comparison to Islam?

Christofascism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christofascism

 

[Nakosis]

Judeofascism?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revisionist_Maximalism

 

[sun rise]

This is one of those terms that to me signals that people should unthinkingly accept that "we're good and they're evil".

 

[YmirGF]

Apparently, Islamofascism need not be thought of as being intrinsic to Islam. That most likely won't stop some folks from arguing that it is, though.

Agree. It's a very wide brush used to tar the more politically extreme Muslims, though Pressie Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is a pretty good example of what the term supposedly means. He's never met an opponent that he didn't want to lock up.

 

[Spiderman]

It seems to be one of those terms that is purposely divisive. I suspect we could attach any word before phobia, or fascism, or any other ''trigger'' words, and reach polarizing effects.

I have read that people do see a connection between fascism and Islam, in general. But, usually those are people who see Islam as ''created'' to control people. A lot of people may think that though of the Abrahamic faiths, in general. (controlling)

Muslims make up less than 25% of the world.

What would we think if republicans made up less than 25% of the world yet nearly all the civil wars in the 21st century, 90+ percent of terrorist acts against civilians, almost all suicide bombers, the majority of regimes which sanction taking sex-slaves based on Religious beliefs, the greatest misogynistic policies that outlaw countless millions of women getting an education and driving a friggin car, worst antisemitism by far, majority of bullying and legal killings of adulterers and homosexuals, and nearly all oppressive dark-aged Theocracies that outlaw and imprison people for decades or kill and mutilate them for protesting and speaking truth???

And involvement in over 90% of armed conflicts of the 21st century??

All liberals would take a stand against republicans and declare, "they are a grave threat to the liberties we cherish. Republicans are intrinsically prone to violence and tyranny!"

Yet Liberals like Obama and many public speakers and politicians defend it and say, "we shouldn't call them Islamic terrorists. They hijacked a peaceful Religion"!

That is like saying, "Nazis aren't Fascist. They hijacked a peaceful form of government!"

You see the double-standards!

The Qur'an and Hadiths prove Obama wrong! Muhammad was an extremist terrorist!

Liberals defend it while pointing the finger constantly at Trump. Trump does and says idiotic things I know.

But Trump is a cuddly Teddy bear compared to Muhammad. And liberals defend him!

Total hypocrisy, and disrespectful to the millions of victims of 21st century fascism!

 

[Spiderman]

Agree. It's a very wide brush used to tar the more politically extreme Muslims, though Pressie Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is a pretty good example of what the term supposedly means. He's never met an opponent that he didn't want to lock up.

Please read the post above this and try to prove it false!

 

[YmirGF]

Please read the post above this and try to prove it false!

You sincerely do not want me to do that.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

This is one of those terms that to me signals that people should unthinkingly accept that "we're good and they're evil".

It's a thoroughly misused term. It has it's place as a legitimate descriptor in some highly specific cases, but the vast majority of the time it is used as a dog whistle just the way you describe.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Muslims make up less than 25% of the world.

What would we think if republicans made up less than 25% of the world yet nearly all the civil wars in the 21st century, 90+ percent of terrorist acts against civilians, almost all suicide bombers, the majority of regimes which sanction taking sex-slaves based on Religious beliefs, the greatest misogynistic policies that outlaw countless millions of women getting an education and driving a friggin car, worst antisemitism by far, majority of bullying and legal killings of adulterers and homosexuals, and nearly all oppressive dark-aged Theocracies that outlaw and imprison people for decades or kill and mutilate them for protesting and speaking truth???

And involvement in over 90% of armed conflicts of the 21st century??

All liberals would take a stand against republicans and declare, "they are a grave threat to the liberties we cherish. Republicans are intrinsically prone to violence and tyranny!"

Yet Liberals like Obama and many public speakers and politicians defend it and say, "we shouldn't call them Islamic terrorists. They hijacked a peaceful Religion"!

That is like saying, "Nazis aren't Fascist. They hijacked a peaceful form of government!"

You see the double-standards!

The Qur'an and Hadiths prove Obama wrong! Muhammad was an extremist terrorist!

Liberals defend it while pointing the finger constantly at Trump. Trump does and says idiotic things I know.

But Trump is a cuddly Teddy bear compared to Muhammad. And liberals defend him!

Total hypocrisy, and disrespectful to the millions of victims of 21st century fascism!

Funny you don't mention the 20th century. Almost... as if... some OTHER group would stand out in all those categories if looking at the 20th century!

 

[Sir Doom]

This term was created to allow the media to say what they think without offending someone. The speaker can safely say, "I don't mean ALL Muslims." And the listener can say, "Well, they don't mean me."

 

[Spiderman]

You sincerely do not want me to do that.

Give it your best shot.....I'm waiting!.....keep in mind, I have thoroughly studied the Doctrine of Fascism, Fascist Dictators like Hitler, Mussolini, Francisco Franco, Augusto Pinochet, Muhammad, the Hadiths, the first Muslims, the Moors, the Ottomon Empire, conflicts between Sunnis and Shiites, prayed at a mosque and interacted with quite a few Muslims, and I have read the Qur'an front to back twice! Try me!


......I'm waiting......

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Give it your best shot.....I'm waiting!.....keep in mind, I have thoroughly studied the Doctrine of Fascism, Fascist Dictators like Hitler, Mussolini, Francisco Franco, Augusto Pinochet, Muhammad, the Hadiths, the first Muslims, the Moors, the Ottomon Empire, conflicts between Sunnis and Shiites, prayed at a mosque and interacted with quite a few Muslims, and I have read the Qur'an front to back twice! Try me!


......I'm waiting......

You are aware Hitler, Mussolini, Franco and Pinochet weren't Muslims, right?

 

[Spiderman]

This term was created to allow the media to say what they think without offending someone. The speaker can safely say, "I don't mean ALL Muslims." And the listener can say, "Well, they don't mean me."

Funny!
I have prayed at a mosque.
faced Mecca and prayed with Muslims elsewhere.
Done Qur'an studies with my Muslim brethren. They defend things like cutting off heads, cutting off hands, not letting women drive, forced dress code, and Dictatorships like Saudi-Arabia, which is like Fascist Italy in so many ways, and sends people to prison for decades, or executes them for speaking the truth! And that isn't Fascism?? Defended by peaceful, westernized, law-abiding, likeable, American Muslims!

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism

I ran across this term today, and honestly didn't know this was a thing? What do you think about this term, do you think it has any merit, and is it relevant when discussing fascism in a broader sense, in comparison to Islam?

I think it's a buzzword for Islamic tyranny; specifically of the kind where the more regressive Islamic beliefs are forced or pressured onto non-Muslims (e.g. don't draw Muhammad or we'll murder you).

 

[Spiderman]

You are aware Hitler, Mussolini, Franco and Pinochet weren't Muslims, right?

Of course!
But their Dictatorships resemble Saudi-Arabia, Boko-Haram, Iran, ISIS, Taliban, Sadam Hussein, and countless other Islamic Theocracies in the 21st century! And others like Muhammad, the Moors, The Ottomon Empire, and beyond!

It is politically correct to condemn fascist Dictators. But condemn Muhammad's psychopathic sadistic writings, policies, bigotry, and mass-murdering behavior, and countless liberals for freedom and social justice come to his defense. Yet he is just as Fascist! Why is that??