Islamofascism?

[YmirGF]

Give it your best shot.....I'm waiting!.....keep in mind, I have thoroughly studied the Doctrine of Fascism, Fascist Dictators like Hitler, Mussolini, Francisco Franco, Augusto Pinochet, Muhammad, the Hadiths, the first Muslims, the Moors, the Ottomon Empire, conflicts between Sunnis and Shiites, prayed at a mosque and interacted with quite a few Muslims, and I have read the Qur'an front to back twice! Try me!


......I'm waiting......

I have no desire to brutalize you.

 

[icehorse]

The definition of fascism from wikipedia:

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism,[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce,[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is usually placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum

I would say that countries like SA, and Iran and Iraq under Hussein, and other Muslim majority countries, share many characteristics of previous fascist regimes, so it's a comparison with some merit.

And of course that doesn't mean that only Muslim majority countries have this characteristic, I would guess that a lot of non-Muslim Majority countries in the third world might also be rightly compared to fascism.

 

[Sir Doom]

Funny!
I have prayed at a mosque.
faced Mecca and prayed with Muslims elsewhere.
Done Qur'an studies with my Muslim brethren. They defend things like cutting off heads, cutting off hands, not letting women drive, forced dress code, and Dictatorships like Saudi-Arabia, which is like Fascist Italy in so many ways, and sends people to prison for decades, or executes them for speaking the truth! And that isn't Fascism?? Defended by peaceful, westernized, law-abiding, likeable, American Muslims!

I do not care what you think about anything at all. Your opinions are obvious without you.

 

[Spiderman]

Funny you don't mention the 20th century. Almost... as if... some OTHER group would stand out in all those categories if looking at the 20th century!

Fascism in the 20th century was just as disgusting and of course I condemn it!

Islamic dark-aged Theocracies brainwash, enslave, oppress, kill, intimidate, outlaw free-speech, torture, mutilate, disfigure or decrease the quality of life and liberties of hundreds of millions of people in the 21st century. The Islamic "Holy book" glorifies this behavior! I'm more concerned about people who endure suffering that is worse than death in this century than centuries prior!

Yes, I would rather die than live in Somalia, Sudan, Lebanon, west bank, Saudi-Arabia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Kuwait, Iran, and other Muslim-majority countries. Living a full lifespan without freedom of speech is worse than death in my opinion! I'm sure others in those nations feel the same way!

 

[Spiderman]

I have no desire to brutalize you.

That is because you are unable to argue with facts and psychopathic, sadistic, brutal, barbaric, inhumane, vicious tortures and hatred in the Qur'an!

Muhammad wasn't just a spiritual figure like Buddha. He was a military Dictator, statesman, and extremist terrorist with a rigid Religious (Fascist) government like Mussolini. Yet liberals for gay rights, freedom of speech, women's equality, religious freedom, and secularism, defend what he spilled much blood over! They would have likely been his victims! What are the reasons for this absurd double-standard?

 

[Spiderman]

I do not care what you think about anything at all. Your opinions are obvious without you.

Why the double standard and selective outrage? Is that respectful to the 21st century victims of Fascism??

Muslims make up less than 25% of the world.

What would you think if republicans made up less than 25% of the world yet nearly all the civil wars in the 21st century, 90+ percent of terrorist acts against civilians, almost all suicide bombers, the majority of regimes which sanction taking sex-slaves based on Religious beliefs, the greatest misogynistic policies that outlaw countless millions of women getting an education and driving a friggin car, worst 21st century antisemitism by far, majority of bullying and legal killings of adulterers and homosexuals, and nearly all oppressive dark-aged Theocracies that outlaw and imprison people for decades or kill and mutilate them for protesting and speaking truth???

And involvement in over 90% of armed conflicts of the 21st century??

You and all liberals would take a stand against republicans and declare, "they are a grave threat to the liberties we cherish. Republicans are Fascists intrinsically prone to violence and tyranny!"

Yet you remain apathetic or defend equal tyranny, violence, torture, and oppression! I certainly don't hear you expressing any outrage over it!

 

[QuestioningMind]

That is because you are unable to argue with facts and psychopathic, sadistic, brutal, barbaric, inhumane, vicious tortures and hatred in the Qur'an!

Muhammad wasn't just a spiritual figure like Buddha. He was a military Dictator, statesman, and extremist terrorist with a rigid Religious (Fascist) government like Mussolini. Yet liberals for gay rights, freedom of speech, women's equality, religious freedom, and secularism, defend what he spilled much blood over! They would have likely been his victims! What are the reasons for this absurd double-standard?

Who ARE these 'liberals' you keep mentioning who believe in gay rights, freedom of speech, and women's rights who ALSO defend the atrocious acts that are depicted in the Koran?

 

[Spiderman]

"Depicting Jews – and sometimes also Zionists – as "the descendants of apes and pigs" is extremely widespread today in public discourse in the Arab and Islamic worlds

In a weekly sermon in April 2002, Al-Azhar Sheikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, the highest-ranking cleric in the Sunni Muslim world, called the Jews "the enemies of Allah, descendants of apes and pigs

Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, imam and preacher at the Al-Haraam mosque – the most important mosque in Mecca – beseeched Allah to annihilate the Jews. He also urged the Arabs to give up peace initiatives with them because they are "the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.or...he-descendants-of-apes-pigs-and-other-animals

How is that any less than hate-speech for Jews in Nazi Germany?? How can you people enable this bigotry and hatred with your apathy or defense of a "Holy book" which is the "most perfect book, innerant Word of Allah" that calls people repeatedly to violence, hate, bigotry, and brutal, gruesome, sadistic, psychopathic torture and mutilation!???

 

[LuisDantas]

Just like any other dogmatic belief system when taken to extremes.

Maybe you could, you know, actually look at the doctrine?

 

[Sir Doom]

Why the double standard and selective outrage? Is that respectful to the 21st century victims of Fascism??

Muslims make up less than 25% of the world.

What would you think if republicans made up less than 25% of the world yet nearly all the civil wars in the 21st century, 90+ percent of terrorist acts against civilians, almost all suicide bombers, the majority of regimes which sanction taking sex-slaves based on Religious beliefs, the greatest misogynistic policies that outlaw countless millions of women getting an education and driving a friggin car, worst 21st century antisemitism by far, majority of bullying and legal killings of adulterers and homosexuals, and nearly all oppressive dark-aged Theocracies that outlaw and imprison people for decades or kill and mutilate them for protesting and speaking truth???

And involvement in over 90% of armed conflicts of the 21st century??

You and all liberals would take a stand against republicans and declare, "they are a grave threat to the liberties we cherish. Republicans are Fascists intrinsically prone to violence and tyranny!"

Yet you remain apathetic or defend equal tyranny, violence, torture, and oppression! I certainly don't hear you expressing any outrage over it!

I do not have to act like you. I have self-respect.

 

[Spiderman]

Who ARE these 'liberals' you keep mentioning who believe in gay rights, freedom of speech, and women's rights who ALSO defend the atrocious acts that are depicted in the Koran?

The many people at RF and elsewhere (including real life) who condemn, criticize, or antagonize me for simply pointing out facts and sadistic tortures and calls to violence in the Qur'an and life of Muhammad, or the oppression of countless millions of people in our current century.

Also, people like Obama who say, "we shouldn't call them radical Islamic terrorists, they hijacked a peaceful Religion"!

That is like saying, "we shouldn't call Nazis Fascist, they hijacked a peaceful form of government!"

Yet, so many Americans believed Obama. So many politicians and public speakers say the same easily provable falsehood, and people swallow it hook, line, and sinker!!!

 

[YmirGF]

That is because you are unable to argue with facts and psychopathic, sadistic, brutal, barbaric, inhumane, vicious tortures and hatred in the Qur'an!

Muhammad wasn't just a spiritual figure like Buddha. He was a military Dictator, statesman, and extremist terrorist with a rigid Religious (Fascist) government like Mussolini. Yet liberals for gay rights, freedom of speech, women's equality, religious freedom, and secularism, defend what he spilled much blood over! They would have likely been his victims! What are the reasons for this absurd double-standard?

Have no illusions @PopeADope ... if I chose to I could easily eviscerate your position. I am no defender of Islam though, so it would be very painful to do so. I will just advise you to let go of your hatred.

 

[Spiderman]

I do not have to act like you. I have self-respect.

Fine! Remain indifferent to the greatest threat to liberty in the 21st century. Give yourself a pat on the back for apathy as countless millions are oppressed, killed, tortured, enslaved, or victimized! You demonstrate evidence that you don't even care, while insulting someone who does!There is something to be proud of!

 

[Spiderman]

Have no illusions @PopeADope ... if I chose to I could easily eviscerate your position. I am no defender of Islam though, so it would be very painful to do so. I will just advise you to let go of your hatred.

I love Muslims!

We should all love Muslims.

My problem is with Fascist government, not Islamic faith in theory!

 

[Sir Doom]

Fine! Remain indifferent to the greatest threat to liberty in the 21st century.
Give yourself a pat on the back for apathy as countless millions are oppressed, killed, tortured, enslaved, or victimized! You demonstrate evidence that you don't even care, while insulting someone who does!There is something to be proud of!

If you think that's me, so be it. Again, I don't care what you think about anything. Least of all me.

 

[Spiderman]

Have no illusions @PopeADope ... if I chose to I could easily eviscerate your position. I am no defender of Islam though, so it would be very painful to do so. I will just advise you to let go of your hatred.

I love Muslims!

What part of having a disgust for barbaric ,sadistic, psychopathic tortures, mutilations, anti-Semitism, hate, bigotry, and calls to violence in the Qur'an (and inflicted on many people in our 21st century) do you object to?

 

[QuestioningMind]

The many people at RF and elsewhere (including real life) who condemn, criticize, or antagonize me for simply pointing out facts and sadistic tortures and calls to violence in the Qur'an and life of Muhammad, or the oppression of countless millions of people in our current century.

Also, people like Obama who say, "we shouldn't call them radical Islamic terrorists, they hijacked a peaceful Religion"!

That is like saying, "we shouldn't call Nazis Fascist, they hijacked a peaceful form of government!"

Yet, so many Americans believed Obama. So many politicians and public speakers say the same easily provable falsehood, and people swallow it hook, line, and sinker!!!

I would bet that there isn't a single person who criticized you who claimed that there was nothing wrong with the atrocities you mentioned in the Koran. I suspect that what they criticized you for is attempting to paint ALL Muslims with the same broad brush. Because the reality is that there are plenty of Muslims who do NOT practice the calls for violence or oppression depicted in the book. There are plenty of Muslims who live peaceful loving lives.

I'm sure that you'd get just as much criticism from Christians if you kept pointing out the atrocious laws and practices listed in the bible, such as stoning disobedient children, killing gays people and those who dare to work on the sabbath, or the slaughter of entire populations, and then tried to suggest that this means that ALL Christians support such actions.

 

[Spiderman]

If you think that's me, so be it. Again, I don't care what you think about anything. Least of all me.

Neither do you seem to care about countless millions victimized by fascism in the 21st century, and even as we speak! Of, course, you have too much "self-respect!" Give yourself a self-aggrandizing pat on the back for going with the apathetic, indifferent crowd!

 

[Sir Doom]

Neither do you seem to care about countless millions victimized by fascism in the 21st century, and even as we speak! Of, course, you have too much "self-respect!" Give yourself a self-aggrandizing pat on the back for going with the apathetic, indifferent crowd!

Feel free to demonstrate how you got from point A to point B. Good luck.

 

[Spiderman]

I would bet that there isn't a single person who criticized you who claimed that there was nothing wrong with the atrocities you mentioned in the Koran. I suspect that what they criticized you for is attempting to paint ALL Muslims with the same broad brush. Because the reality is that there are plenty of Muslims who do NOT practice the calls for violence or oppression depicted in the book. There are plenty of Muslims who live peaceful loving lives.

I'm sure that you'd get just as much criticism from Christians if you kept pointing out the atrocious laws and practices listed in the bible, such as stoning disobedient children, killing gays people and those who dare to work on the sabbath, or the slaughter of entire populations, and then tried to suggest that this means that ALL Christians support such actions.

No, I pointed out the peaceful Muslims. You lie, I don't paint all or must Muslims like that! They still defend those verses and say the Qur'an is without error, and the prophet Muhammad didn't make mistakes! I have known Christians who look at verses in the Bible and say, "that is stupid, outdated, and ****ed up!"

I have never seen a Muslim online or offline do that!