Well you'll have to accept that he's Christian.
He's also been studying in this field for a long time, and he's deeply involved. I, for one, would defer to his expertise.
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Isn't dismantling the space program long overdue?
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Well you'll have to accept that he's Christian.
He's also been studying in this field for a long time, and he's deeply involved. I, for one, would defer to his expertise.
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I think it's cute that so many scientists in different fields are always involved in conspiracies.
Gotta wonder when they find the time to conduct all those researches.
Gotta wonder when they find the time to conduct all those researches.
Ouch. Double whammy.
So, survival and competing with the Chinese. How about we find ways to rebuild our topsoil and our water aquifers, learn how to survive within a closed-loop ecosystem, and explore various ways to responsibly maximizing the resources within our own biodome to create new medicines and tools that can be traded and used in many different environments?
Oh, WAIT A MINUTE! You can experiment with and learn some of this uniquely and efficiently IN SPACE!
-Peacemaker-
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It's called a salespitch. Everybody uses them regardless of profession they're in.
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Ouch. Double whammy.
So, survival and competing with the Chinese. How about we find ways to rebuild our topsoil and our water aquifers, learn how to survive within a closed-loop ecosystem, and explore various ways to responsibly maximizing the resources within our own biodome to create new medicines and tools that can be traded and used in many different environments?
Oh, WAIT A MINUTE! You can experiment with and learn some of this uniquely and efficiently IN SPACE!
That's sure to be one of the arguments, listing all the different applications space exploration has on everyday life. And I'm sure somebody is able finagle a way to justify putting half the objects we use in our day to day lives on that list. It's going to make the list very long and impressive looking. The problem is it probably won't mention just how in consequential the role that space exploration may have played in the development of many of those items. I'd more interested in hearing about some of the ways space travel is INDESPENSABLE in our lives and/or in the creation of many of the items we use.
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What would NASA be trying to "sell" to people? It doesn't seem to me that their main aim is to make profit at all.
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Personally, I'd just let it blow, but that's just me...
So poetic; so true.
You can't seriously be suggesting that LDS folks are not Christian. No... I can't believe many would stoop to that level.
To be fair, there are not many things that are indispensable, let alone INDISPENSABLE.
Review these three sites for an evening and then come back and tell me you don't think money spent on a space program is well worth the investment.
Chandra X-ray Observatory - NASA's flagship X-ray telescope
HubbleSite - Out of the ordinary...out of this world.
Space, Stars, Mars, Earth, Planets and More - NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Seriously...
-Peacemaker-
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stick to cracking jokes. you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to this issue
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Aquitaine
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NASA & Federal Budget - Neil deGrasse Tyson - YouTube
NASA & Federal Budget - Neil deGrasse Tyson - YouTube
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Excuse me?
A) You do realize that those two shuttles that crashed were built while the Cold War was still active, right? Columbia and Challenger were the earliest shuttles, built in the '80s. The shuttle program lasted for around 30 years and had many missions.
B) The post cold war ere has seen large budget cuts to NASA as a percentage of the federal budget. In other words, when NASA was doing things like sending people to the moon, NASA's percentage of federal expenditure was several times higher than it is today. An example of a highly successful recent program is the Hubble Telescope, which went up in 1990 (technically a year before the end of the Cold War) and has given us two decades of the most amazing pictures of galaxies billions of years away, and a better understanding of our universe. A replacement for the Hubble telescope is planned to be the more powerful James Webb telescope.
Things like the space program are part of what makes kids want to grow up to be engineers in the first place. They're extremely difficult technical achievements that bring the nation together, inspire people to greatness, give people examples of heroes, and allow us to send probes to every planet in our solar system to learn about our universe and its physical laws.
'Race to the Bottom' short term thinking (like "let's cut space research, particle accelerators, and all or most long-term scientific research and development") is a recipe for stagnation, lack of motivation, lack of progress, etc and is a fairly recent form of thinking in American politics.
While Americans are thinking of budget cuts, other countries are creating jobs by making new advances in science and physics, like the Large Hadron Collider in Europe and and SKA in Australia and South Africa, which will be the largest radio telescope ever constructed. So now our American researchers can go to them and request to do experiments.
Speaking of domestic and foreign jobs, the United States was building the largest particle accelerator in the world (much larger than the recent Large Hadron Collider in Europe), but it was cancelled due to budget cuts after billions of dollars had already been spent and therefore wasted. So we let Europeans with their jobs build a technological marvel in Europe while we cancelled our much larger project in the U.S. and let it go to waste.
Well, considering the figures I mentioned earlier about money wasted elsewhere (mainly, on wars), I think the last thing to worry about should be researchers' salaries. At least they benefit people (as has been pointed out in this thread by other people and me), regardless of how many people recognize that.
Oh Tyson, with his facts and logic and passion.
The expansion of human knowledge is quite obviously a goal worthy only of the advanced European and Asian societies. Surely it is beneath us Americans who should not be asked to risk it least we never recover out tax dollars in practical spin offs. Who needs to know about black holes, anyway? Let our children dream of deep fried chicken nuggets, and not of the universe.
NASA/space stuff is my favorite wasteful government spending:
Hubble Telescope
Cassini-Huygens
Mars Rovers
Moon Landings
Kepler Craft
Hypersonic Planes
Chandra X-ray Observatory
GPS Satelites
Space weapon race (It would be problematic to fall behind in this one.)
Aquitaine
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It's interesting to contemplate the bank bailout (presumably EESA) exceeded NASA's 50 year budget. That just goes to show where the priorities are, and what of all things should be "cut".
Space exploration and research contributes to real human progression, not just people performing menial, repetative jobs to earn paper printed by other humans in an endless cycle. Sending probes into space and mapping the local planets, sending humans into space and on the moon, trying to unlock the secrets of the universe - stuff like that is real progression of humanity as a species. I cannot for the life of me fathom why someone would want to cut that kind of endeavor.
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You don't see me telling you the true way to practice Bodiwhateveritis you practice. You know why? Because I don't know jack **** about it. It's the same principle in action when you suggest a moral failure on my part because I consider certain doctrines heretical and their practitioners deniers of our faith
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