Israel’s war crimes in Gaza are by design, not default

[Sakeenah]

I came across this article, think it explains why Israel's war crime are by design and not default very well.

Israel’s war crimes in Gaza are by design, not default

For Israel, violence is not incidental, accidental or coincidental. It is part and parcel of its colonial DNA.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Revoltingest]

Israel has taken the apocryphal quote....
"Never let a good crisis go to waste."
....to heart. The outrageous Oct attack
is being used to justify genocide.

Israel now even openly states its intention
to send surviving Palestinians to Africa
in a "voluntary emigration".
They don't even recognize the self-mocking
gallows humor of this phrase. Nor do Israel's
apologists admit or address this disapora that
clinches defining Israel's actions as genocide.

 

[metis]

I came across this article, think it explains why Israel's war crime are by design and not default very well.

Israel’s war crimes in Gaza are by design, not default

For Israel, violence is not incidental, accidental or coincidental. It is part and parcel of its colonial DNA.

www.aljazeera.com

It was not Israel that attacked others on its independence in 1948, nor did they start this recent conflict.

 

[Bthoth]

It was not Israel that attacked others on its independence in 1948, nor did they start this recent conflict.

Israel did not exist, prior. But the terrorists (irgun) attacked about everyone, that did not accept the pursuit of an israel.

 

[libre]

It was not Israel that attacked others on its independence in 1948

Are you suggesting that the Nakba was a legitimate military operation?

 

[Regiomontanus]

Israel has taken the apocryphal quote....
"Never let a good crisis go to waste."
....to heart. The outrageous Oct attack
is being used to justify genocide.

Israel now even openly states its intention
to send surviving Palestinians to Africa
in a "voluntary emigration".
They don't even recognize the self-mocking
gallows humor of this phrase. Nor do Israel's
apologists admit or address this disapora that
clinches defining Israel's actions as genocide.

For a while I thought the term genocide was a bit hyperbolic in this 'conflict' but I have to admit that when one objectively looks at everything Israel has done in Gaza, I have changed my mind. Their bulldozing of Palestinian cemeteries was the last straw for me.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It was not Israel that attacked others on its independence in 1948, nor did they start this recent conflict.

Even if we were to accept these two things as unquestionably true, they would still be irrelevant. The argument being made is that Israel is conducting war crimes in Gaza. You can't justify war crimes by claiming the other side started it.

 

[Bthoth]

For a while I thought the term genocide was a bit hyperbolic in this 'conflict' but I have to admit that when one objectively looks at everything Israel has done in Gaza, I have changed my mind. Their bulldozing of Palestinian cemeteries was the last straw for me.

All over the world people are waking up.

I find the divide is very sad and i was also a blind supporter of israel once.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It was not Israel that attacked others on its independence in 1948, nor did they start this recent conflict.

They didn't?

The October 7 attack was a reprisal for an IDF attack on Palestinians at the Al Aqsa Mosque earlier in the year.

 

[Revoltingest]

For a while I thought the term genocide was a bit hyperbolic in this 'conflict' but I have to admit that when one objectively looks at everything Israel has done in Gaza, I have changed my mind. Their bulldozing of Palestinian cemeteries was the last straw for me.

I didn't call it "genocide" until Israel's conduct
fit Wikipedia's definition. Just killing ten thousand
or so people wasn't enuf. It ticked all the boxes
when it reached the level of destruction that meant
diaspora. Then lo! Israel announced intention to
send them to Africa.

Genocide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Regiomontanus]

All over the world people are waking up.

I find the divide is very sad and i was also a blind supporter of israel once.

I love the Jewish people and, as a Christian, feel very close to them. But the current government in Israel is just evil and is exploiting the tragedy of 7 Oct. Whatever high ground they had after those horrible attacks has been lost, IMHO.

 

[Brickjectivity]

They didn't?

The October 7 attack was a reprisal for an IDF attack on Palestinians at the Al Aqsa Mosque earlier in the year.

2023 Al-Aqsa clashes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Slight correction: Nobody is killed nor is the IDF involved in the Al Aqsa clashes of 2023. There are "50 casualties" meaning 50 people are injured, not any deaths.

Summary: 400 people barricade themselves inside the mosque, and the police are afraid its the beginning of an attack. The 400 people are afraid of rumors that Israelis want to make a ritual sacrifice inside the mosque. Police (not IDF) go in, and there is a big fight: police use batons and shields, and the men in the mosque throw stones and shoot fireworks at the police. And that's the 2023 Al-Aqsa clashes. Nobody sacrifices anything inside the mosque, and nobody is killed either.

 

[Bthoth]

2023 Al-Aqsa clashes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just about anyone can write into WIKI.

Slight correction: Nobody is killed nor is the IDF involved in the Al Aqsa clashes of 2023. There are "50 casualties" meaning 50 people are injured, not any deaths.

Are you talking about the april 5th and 6th incursions of 2023?

Summary: 400 people barricade themselves inside the mosque, and the police are afraid its the beginning of an attack. The 400 people are afraid of rumors that Israelis want to make a ritual sacrifice inside the mosque. Police (not IDF) go in, and there is a big fight: police use batons and shields, and the men in the mosque throw stones and shoot fireworks at the police. And that's the 2023 Al-Aqsa clashes. Nobody sacrifices anything inside the mosque, and nobody is killed either.

That's the april attack. They came and left on the 5th, then came back again on the 6th.


But what about the prior year?
Israeli police is deployed in the Old City of Jerusalem, Sunday, April 17, 2022.
Mahmoud Illean/AP
JERUSALEM — Israeli police on Sunday entered the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound in Jerusalem's Old City to secure the way for Jewish visitors to the flashpoint holy site, fueling clashes that left 17 Palestinians wounded, according to Palestinian medical workers.

The unrest happened just two days after clashes with Palestinians at the same site. Violence in Jerusalem between Israeli security forces and Palestinian demonstrators a year ago escalated into an 11-day Gaza war.

https://www.npr.org/2022/04/17/1093233899/jerusalem-violence-al-aqsa-mosque

Then in 2021

JERUSALEM, May 7 (Reuters) - Israeli police fired rubber bullets and stun grenades towards rock-hurling Palestinian youth at Jerusalem’s Al-Aqsa Mosque on Friday amid growing anger over the potential eviction of Palestinians from homes on land claimed by Jewish settlers.
At least 205 Palestinians and 17 officers were injured in the night-time clashes at Islam's third-holiest site and around East Jerusalem, Palestinian medics and Israeli police said, as thousands of Palestinians faced off with several hundred Israeli police in riot gear.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/thousands-pack-al-aqsa-mosque-protest-palestinian-evictions-jerusalem-2021-05-07/

The crimes are the constant attacks on the locals and the al aqsa





Dont forget in 2020

Hamas warns Israel not to attack Al-Aqsa Mosque​

July 15, 2020 at 11:49 am​

Hamas warns Israel not to attack Al-Aqsa Mosque

The Palestinian Islamic Resistance Movement warned the Israeli occupation authorities on Tuesday not to attack Al-Aqsa Mosque. The statement from Hamas stressed that this issue could “trigger a war”. Hamas...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

The Palestinian Islamic Resistance Movement warned the Israeli occupation authorities on Tuesday not to attack Al-Aqsa Mosque. The statement from Hamas stressed that this issue could “trigger a war”.

Hamas released its statement in the wake of the decision by an Israeli court decision to close Bab Al-Rahma Mosque, which is located at one of the gates within the compound of the Noble Sanctuary of Al Aqsa. The movement believes that the decision has to be seen as part of the efforts made by the occupation state to divide Al-Aqsa Mosque and its compound spatially and temporally between Muslims and Jews.

“Any attack on Al Aqsa Mosque or its status could trigger a war,” said Hamas. “If the Israeli occupation feels that it is appropriate to carry out its plans, the situation will not continue forever and it must pay the price for its attacks.”

Describing the court decision to close Bab Al-Rahma (“Door of Mercy”) Mosque as “crazy”, Hamas claimed that Israel’s objective is to turn it into a synagogue.





It's been constant and ongoing And i personally got a response, 'they had an urge to pray' as a rebuttal to the illegal acts of israelis settlers, and IDF .


Until israel stops the problem within their own population, the divide continues.

 

[metis]

Are you suggesting that the Nakba was a legitimate military operation?

It was a reaction [and often an overreaction] to the Arab, including Palestinian, assault on Israel that were on land set aside for Jews. The fact is that they were very much a threat to the land granted for the relocation of the Jewish diaspora. It was assumed that many would leave and go to the much larger Palestinian controlled areas that includes the country of Jordan, which is mainly Palestinian, but those areas wanted them to stay as they didn't accept the provisions of the Balfour Declaration. The area set aside for Palestinians was many times larger than that which was set aside for the Jewish population.

 

[Bthoth]

I love the Jewish people and, as a Christian, feel very close to them.

I still love most every Jew that i ever meet. I have long ago, learned that many claim to be Jewish but are just wannabe.

Some have imposed and now believe the model that the religious identifier is a birth right exposing a hypocrisy that can be linked to down right bigotry. Especially noting the mother, not the father is the importance, unless of the cohen tribe.

It's weird that now the beauty of judaism is no longer a religious choice, but as an industry of racial designations.

But the current government in Israel is just evil and is exploiting the tragedy of 7 Oct. Whatever high ground they had after those horrible attacks has been lost, IMHO.

I do not like the 'evil' term but mislead and misguided, is closer to the truth.

 

[metis]

Even if we were to accept these two things as unquestionably true, they would still be irrelevant. The argument being made is that Israel is conducting war crimes in Gaza. You can't justify war crimes by claiming the other side started it.

The reality is that BOTH sides have and are committing war crimes. And what I can claim is that Hamas obviously started this latest round with their 10-7 attack, murder, rape, etc. of Israeli civilians. Hamas has repeatedly committed war crimes for years, so this is not new.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

2023 Al-Aqsa clashes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Slight correction: Nobody is killed nor is the IDF involved in the Al Aqsa clashes of 2023. There are "50 casualties" meaning 50 people are injured, not any deaths.

How is that a correction?

October 7 was a disproportionate reprisal for the Al Aqsa incident. The Israeli campaign since October 7 has been a disproportionate reprisal against Hamas.

Summary: 400 people barricade themselves inside the mosque, and the police are afraid its the beginning of an attack. The 400 people are afraid of rumors that Israelis want to make a ritual sacrifice inside the mosque. Police (not IDF) go in, and there is a big fight: police use batons and shields, and the men in the mosque throw stones and shoot fireworks at the police. And that's the 2023 Al-Aqsa clashes. Nobody sacrifices anything inside the mosque, and nobody is killed either.

My mistake. You're right: it was police, not IDF. Still the Israeli federal government, but a different department.

 

[Bthoth]

How is that a correction?

October 7 was a disproportionate reprisal for the Al Aqsa incident. The Israeli campaign since October 7 has been a disproportionate reprisal against Hamas.



My mistake. You're right: it was police, not IDF. Still the Israeli federal government, but a different department.

Police and not IDF.

That's even worse as they are supposed to be trained and not just children required to serve.

 

[Yerda]

Putting the nature of Israel's aggression down to "they're a coloniser and this is what colonisers do" seems to me like it could be simplifying a bit. I'm not an expert on colonialism or Israel-Palestine but there are some aspects of this conflict that don't seem fit well with the colonial experience and make it a uniquely difficult situation, for both sides, imo.

 

[libre]

It was a reaction [and often an overreaction] to the Arab, including Palestinian, assault on Israel that were on land set aside for Jews.

I think referring to the Nakba ethnic cleansing as an 'overreaction' is minimizing.
You're talking about expelling 80% of the people who lived in what would become Israel and turning them into homeless refugees.