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Israel’s war crimes in Gaza are by design, not default

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I think referring to the Nakba ethnic cleansing as an 'overreaction' is minimizing.
You're talking about expelling 80% of the people who lived in what would become Israel and turning them into homeless refugees.

No, I explained what was supposedly in the cards with the Declaration as the Palestinian lands had far more territory than the Jewish ones that were set aside. As I said before, Jordan and other territories surround the new state generally refused to allow them in and then turned around and provided them with weapons and encouragement to fight.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Or until blood libel proved a more or less acceptable form of vitriol.
Geeze Louise, you sure do have a quiver of
specialized epithets for people outside of the
tribe. That's one I had to google.
Do you have a style manual listing all the barbs
to rain down upon the infidel who dares decry
murderous predation?
There is a difference between unacceptable - even depraved - indifference to collateral damage on the one hand and an intent to exterminate a people on the other.
"Depraved" is a word that comes to mind
when believers defend genocide by God's
Chosen People. Murder & mayhem with
songs, cheers, prayers, & God's stamp of
approval.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Excerpted....
In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.[1][2]

Consider the above in light of.....
1) It's the "Jewish State" attacking a Muslim group.
2) Prioritizing destruction over accuracy in bombing of
schools, hospitals, homes, refugee camps, & escape routes.
3) 26,000+ dead, about half being children.
4) Preventing humanitarian aid from entering Gaza.
5) Israel settlers killing & driving away Palestinians to take their land.
to take their land with government approval.
6) Even before 10.7.2023, Israel's policy was to keep Palestinians
on the verge of financial ruin. This policy continues.
7) Bombing buildings & infrastructure making Gaza unlivable.
6) Planning to "voluntarily emigrate" surviving Palestinians to Africa.
7) Ignoring international law.

 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Or ...

In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".

mmm
Your post actually supports the claim of S Africa, many
human rights advocates, me, & even many Jews that this
is indeed genocide. The 5 defined acts are satisfied.
Regarding your quoted portion, Palestinians are both an
ethnic (Palestinian) & a religious (Muslim) group being
attacked by another ethnic (Jewish) & religious (Jewish) group.
The intent to have Gaza free of Palestinians as they
disperse to Africa, sure sounds like an attempt to
"destroy in whole or in part" the group.

Your "blood libel" epithet is by definition an accusation
that I'm dishonest. The irony of that is not lost on me.
Shame on you.

And before anyone tries dismissing it because a minority
of Palestinians are Christian, & a minority of Israelis aren't
Jewish, that would be to entirely miss the fundamental
religious & ethnic animosity at work here.
 
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Firenze

Active Member
Premium Member
I came across this article, think it explains why Israel's war crime are by design and not default very well.

Of course it’s by design. They get to agonize over the horror of losing 1000 citizens and use it to justify the ‘proportional response’ of killing 20,000. Don’t forget, Ariel Sharon called Palestinian Arabs ‘cockroaches’ as he slaughtered women and children in Shatilla, Qibya, El Bureig, etc. Can we think of any other event in history where a class of people were painted as being subhuman?
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
Exactly. Which begs the question of how Israel can justify such similar behavior.
I have had that very same scope of comprehension myself. How could people that had survived such an atrocity, try to impose the same on another?
 

libre

In flight
Staff member
Premium Member
Contesting?

All religion is learned. Torah is not genetically imposed to a life.
And if you were Jewish I would ignore the post I quoted as benign yet worthless pedantry.

However given that you present yourself otherwise, it's hard not to read your claim that you love actual jews as anything other than a veiled judgment on the 'many jews' you seem to look down upon.
 

Bthoth

Well-Known Member
And if you were Jewish I would ignore the post I quoted as benign yet worthless pedantry.
If? Now I have to fit a mold to have integrity. Now that is pedantic.
However given that you present yourself otherwise, it's hard not to read your claim that you love actual jews as anything other than a veiled judgment on the 'many jews' you seem to look down upon.
What gives you the right to contest what I write about how I feel?

That's a personal attack!
 

libre

In flight
Staff member
Premium Member
If? Now I have to fit a mold to have integrity. Now that is pedantic.
I'm not contesting your integrity.

I'm saying if you are a jew, your post appears to be trying to gatekeep Jewishness in a fallacious fashion.
If you are not a jew, it appears much more distasteful than that.

I don't know what kind of pantheist you are, or if you are culturally or ethnically Jewish. I provided both judgments so that you may reflect on which ever is applicable here.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member

So, we have @Revoltingest appending this Snopes article to a recent post which, curiously, makes no mention of it. It's simply there as window dressing. Why?

Let's first note the following two excerpts from the 21 November Times of Israel:
  • An Israeli organization calling itself The Civil Front has sparked controversy on social media by producing a song in which children fete the “destruction” in Gaza and say “nothing will be left there” in a year’s time.
  • In Israel, some users hailed the new version as “moving” and inducing “goosebumps,” but much of the reaction was strongly negative. “Nauseating. Are you able to do anything besides desecrate the original, sully it with Kahanism and cause Israel public relations damage?” one person commented. Others called the clip “insane” and “the epitome of bad taste.”
So a non-governmental group promoted a jingoistic song which some hailed as moving while much of the reaction was negative. What an absolutely perfect incident to use to smear Israel and Israelis since, presumably, all Israelis think alike.

I'm not sure which I find more disgusting, the redacted song or the irresponsible way it's being insinuated into these discussions.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Was it your intent to misquote me or simple sloppyness?
If you refer to the "mmm" underneath the
quoted text, that was accidental, & it didn't
change your meaning at all. It's now fixed.
(I'm seeing a hand surgeon tomorrow to deal
with such problems that I don't always catch.)
And to think that I didn't even give you any
grief about your spelling error.
 
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