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Israel charging money to demolsih Bedouin homes

Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
rakhel said:
seems the only ones making this a racial issue are Alceste and Bismillah. Wonder why that is?
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Perhaps it's because the rest of you are blind. Netanyahu himself says it's a race issue.

"We are under real attack on this issue [of Israel as a Jewish state]," Netanyahu was quoted as saying in a July 25 government meeting regarding amendments to the citizenship law. "The meaning could be that different elements will demand national rights within Israel, for example, in the Negev, if we allow for a region without a Jewish majority. It has happened in the Balkans, and it is a palpable threat."

Israel: Halt Demolitions of Bedouin Homes in Negev | Human Rights Watch

Yosi, the villages existed before Israel existed, and land in the area has been purchased from the Bedouin during both British and Ottoman rule.

Kai, the village was destroyed while court proceedings were ongoing. What makes it illegal under international law is inadequate recourse to arbirtration. Also, the state keeps offering tge Bedouins compensation for the land they're being forcibly relocated from, which calls into question whether they think they have a strong case for legal title.

This situation is much more like Canada's land claims disputes with the first nations that Britain's knocking down of dodgy builings and traveler communities (which I also think is wrong). In this type of situation, negotiation, arbitration and quite a lot of courtroom wrangling needs to take place to determine who legally owns what before anybody can knock down anything.
 
kai

kai

ragamuffin
Alceste said:
Perhaps it's because the rest of you are blind. Netanyahu himself says it's a race issue.

"We are under real attack on this issue [of Israel as a Jewish state]," Netanyahu was quoted as saying in a July 25 government meeting regarding amendments to the citizenship law. "The meaning could be that different elements will demand national rights within Israel, for example, in the Negev, if we allow for a region without a Jewish majority. It has happened in the Balkans, and it is a palpable threat."

Israel: Halt Demolitions of Bedouin Homes in Negev | Human Rights Watch

Yosi, the villages existed before Israel existed, and land in the area has been purchased from the Bedouin during both British and Ottoman rule.

Kai, the village was destroyed while court proceedings were ongoing. What makes it illegal under international law is inadequate recourse to arbirtration. Also, the state keeps offering tge Bedouins compensation for the land they're being forcibly relocated from, which calls into question whether they think they have a strong case for legal title.

This situation is much more like Canada's land claims disputes with the first nations that Britain's knocking down of dodgy builings and traveler communities (which I also think is wrong). In this type of situation, negotiation, arbitration and quite a lot of courtroom wrangling needs to take place to determine who legally owns what before anybody can knock down anything.
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The state contends that the Bedouin have never had recognized land claims in the area. Al-Okbi's lawyer, Michael Sfard, recently produced evidence in court, however, that appeared to show that the Jewish National Fund had bought land in this area from Bedouin owners during British rule, as did Ottoman authorities before then. This, he said, indicated that the area had customarily been recognized as belonging to the Bedouin
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So the bedouin sold it to the Ottomans then sold it again to the jewish national fund during British rule?

so who does own it?


Another right at stake is the right to property, set out in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The 2007 UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, opposed by only two states in the world - the US and Canada - states that indigenous peoples have the right to lands they traditionally owned, occupied or otherwise used, and that states should give legal recognition to this. It also says that no relocation of indigenous peoples should take place without their free, prior, and informed consent and only after prior agreement on just and fair compensation.
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http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/08/01/israel-halt-demolitions-bedouin-homes-negev


Ha i can see why the US and canada didnt sign that!!
 
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Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
kai said:
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So the bedouin sold it to the Ottomans then sold it again to the jewish national fund during British rule?

so who does own it?




Israel: Halt Demolitions of Bedouin Homes in Negev | Human Rights Watch


Ha i can see why the US and canada didnt sign that!!
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Sold parts of it. Whether there is any overlap is an issue for a bipartisan land claims tribunal, non-partisan arbitrator or an independent court to decide.

BTW, Canada is a signatory. A little foot dragging was inevitable considering how far from these principles the current situation is.

http://digitaljournal.com/article/300206
 
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erelsgl

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I couldn't read all the threads, just wanted to make something clear -

The Bedouins in Israel are NOT Palestinians! Most of them serve in the IDF, and fight with us Jews, shoulder to shoulder, against Palestinian terrorism.

What happens in the Negev seems like a tragic cultural misunderstanding. I don't know all the details, I can just hope we will find a peaceful solution.
 
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erelsgl

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By the way -

several days ago, the IDF also destroyed houses in the Jewish settlement of Migron. I don't know why they are so eager to destroy houses. Even if they are not legal, there must be a more peaceful solution than demolition.
 
HiddenDjinn

HiddenDjinn

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It's My Birthday!
Alceste said:
Yosi, the villages existed before Israel existed, and land in the area has been purchased from the Bedouin during both British and Ottoman rule.
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That is an assumption on your part, one which you haven't been able to back with the articles provided. That which has been asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Do yourself a favor and provide evidence for every assertion you make or ****.
 
Bismillah

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Clutching at straws are we to try and draw comparisons between illegal colonizers on foreign land and the ethnic displacement and cleansing of citizens who have predated the idea of the state for centuries.

Well, it was a good try.
 
HiddenDjinn

HiddenDjinn

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It's My Birthday!
Bismillah said:
Clutching at straws are we to try and draw comparisons between illegal colonizers on foreign land and the ethnic displacement and cleansing of citizens who have predated the idea of the state for centuries.

Well, it was a good try.
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Wait, you mean the Bedouins that kicked the original agricultural tenants off the land, making the eviction necessary in the first place? And by state, don't you mean Palestine? There never was a Palestinian people before 1965.
 
Bismillah

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Wait, you mean the Bedouins that kicked the original agricultural tenants off the land,Wait, you mean the Bedouins that kicked the original agricultural tenants off the land
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Nice job talking out of your ***. The Negev Bedouins have been sedentary for centuries and posses land deeds that date that far back. It was necessary to ethnically cleanse an entire people and replace them with lands for Jews using public funds? Shipping these Bedouins to ghettos and withholding compensation and at times charging them for the destruction of their home? The same ghettos that are already overpopulated while lands handed out by the racist Zionist government to Jews has the lowest person to land ratio in the backward humanitarian crisis you call a country and try to proclaim a democracy? Lol.
 
HiddenDjinn

HiddenDjinn

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It's My Birthday!
Bismillah said:
Nice job talking out of your ***.
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No worse than you do at times.
The Negev Bedouins have been sedentary for centuries and posses land deeds that date that far back.
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But that particular group of Bedouins were not living on that land. They threw farmers, who had been paying a lease, off that land. Land deeds? That really means nothing. Once land changes hands from one government to another, the previous government's documents are void.
It was necessary to ethnically cleanse an entire people and replace them with lands for Jews using public funds?
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Now who's talking out of their *****? Nothing of that sort is going on.
Shipping these Bedouins to ghettos and withholding compensation and at times charging them for the destruction of their home?
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You violate the law, and you pay the consequences. Don't like it? Leave.
The same ghettos that are already overpopulated while lands handed out by the racist Zionist government to Jews has the lowest person to land ratio in the backward humanitarian crisis you call a country and try to proclaim a democracy? Lol.
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Cry me a river. If they had been there from the beginning, they would have citizenship, and, therefore, be able to vote on the leaders(the technical definition of a republic). You really need to pull your head out of your ***, face reality, and deal with the fact that you live in Arizona, and would be treated like trash in any Arab country. Worse than those Bedouins are treated in Israel, I may add.
 
Bismillah

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Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
yosi said:
That is an assumption on your part, one which you haven't been able to back with the articles provided. That which has been asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Do yourself a favor and provide evidence for every assertion you make or ****.
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I did, yosi. Not my fault if you can't be bothered to read my links.
 
-Peacemaker-

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Bismillah said:
Really Ismaila? The human rights organization is lying that Beduoins are being ethnically cleansed, refused compensation, and shifted into overcrowded ghettos? While Bedouin land is given to Jews with thousands of acres per person? That is all a lie? This is documented fact.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2569397-post122.html
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2569437-post124.html
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If these accusations are true it's interesting that the US media says NOTHING AT ALL about it.
 
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