Israel contemplating drafting ultra Orthodox

[YoursTrue]

The question is why haven't they been drafted?

 

[dybmh]

If they are full time torah students, they are exempt, or at least, used to be exempt.

 

[dybmh]

it's kind of like an exemption for joining the peace corps. ( Is that a thing )?

 

[dybmh]

7 Ways Americans Avoided the Draft During the Vietnam War | HISTORY

From tying the knot to claiming a medical condition, here are some of the ways men tried to dodge the Vietnam War draft.

www.history.com

4. Attending College​

For most of the Vietnam War, full-time college students and graduate students were able to get a legal deferment

 

[Eddi]

If they are full time torah students, they are exempt, or at least, used to be exempt.

Are they studying towards a qualification or are they just permanently in a state of perpetual study?

 

[dybmh]

@Subduction Zone: See Above?

 

[dybmh]

permanently in a state of perpetual study?

This ^^ pretty much 14 hours a day, or so...

 

[Eddi]

This ^^ pretty much 14 hours a day, or so...

For the whole of their lives?

Until they die of old age?

 

[dybmh]

For the whole of their lives?

yessir

I'll see if I can find you a little bit of background on this. There's a story about the great sage Abbaye... ( i think it was Abbaye )

 

[dybmh]

Until they die of old age?

often it's until they run out of money... then they need to find employment or some way to pay the tuition

 

[Eddi]

yessir

I'll see if I can find you a little bit of background on this. There's a story about the great sage Abbaye...

What do they do will all that they've learnt?

Who supports them? They must have bills and expenses to cover?

14 hours a day of anything would be too much for me!

Edit: Except sleep and lazing about

 

[dybmh]

What do they do will all that they've learnt?

They are simultaneously teachers and students. It's not something that's easy to describe, you'd need to see it in action.

But, basically, they share their knowledge and ideas, and they role model.

 

[dybmh]

14 hours a day of anything would be too much for me!

It's exhausting to watch, let alone participate.

 

[Eddi]

They are simultaneously teachers and students. It's not something that's easy to describe, you'd need to see it in action.

But, basically, they share their knowledge and ideas, and they role model.

I'd like to live my life studying and teaching things that interest me

 

[Eddi]

It's exhausting to watch, let alone participate.

I can imagine!

 

[dybmh]

I can imagine!

it's vibrant! You know why we Jews say "L'chayim"? It because our learning and our practice is about vibrant vitality.

"To Life!, L'chayim"

 

[Eddi]

it's vibrant! You know why we Jews say "L'chayim"? It because our learning and our practice is about vibrant vitality.

"To Life!, L'chayim"

I've never seen that film all the way through only little bits here and there

I think it deserves a full viewing

 

[Subduction Zone]

@Subduction Zone: See Above?

So what? A deferment was not forever. It just meant that they would be drafted later. A person seeking a deferment would have to show that they were a student making real progress towards a goal. In other words you had four, maybe five years deferment tops as an undergrad. A person could go to grad school and hope for a few more years, but it was very hard to keep the deferment going indefinitely. Actually until one was 26. And now a deferment is for even a shorter period of time. A student can only have a deferment until the end of his current academic year.

Changes From Vietnam to Now | Selective Service System

www.sss.gov

 

[dybmh]

So what?

You seemed to be clueless.

Is it a little clearer now?

 

[dybmh]

I've never seen that film all the way through only little bits here and there

I think it deserves a full viewing

I was the young radical teacher, when I was in the cast