Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Is all that you have for debates false claims about others? That sounds like projection on your part.
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Israel contemplating drafting ultra Orthodox
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dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Is it a little clearer now? There was an exemption for students. Was.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
How does/did it compare with the rules (in Israel of course) that apply to other students (say in secular colleges)? Generally these kinds of discussions tend to revolve around perceived fairness.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Right. Secular academics did not exempt an individual from enlistment.
The difference is, the Torah scholar is actively working for the defense of Israel. A secular education is for the most part about directed towards individual interests and livelihood.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
One can still do that and join the IDF.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Tell us, how does a "Torah scholar" actively work for the defense of Israel?
Actually I support the drafting of those students since they are part of the group that appear to have the strongest views on how Israel is just for the Jews. That does not work in modern countries. They are a clear part of the problem and want to force others to fight for them. When they are forced to fight too they protest. That is extreme hypocrisy and also indicates that they are not "scholars".
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Already answered.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Not once, not ever. At least not in this thread.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Oh well.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You could always try to properly support your claims for once. I need to remind you that you are not what would be considered a valid source.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
I could, but I won't. Not for you. You are being intentionally difficult, as usual.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
More projection. I will accept that as an admission that you cannot do so.
dybmh
דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Whatever, think what you want. I reassert my ambivalence.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I can see why others have dismissed you. But just in case you did not understand, the group that is advocating the strongest for the sort of genocide that Israel has been practicing should be the last people to be excused from the draft, not the first.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I was going to discuss on another thread the reasoning behind the various conjectured birthdays and years of Jesus. But just watching your interactions with @dybmh here, even if I have questions of him-- yes -- you make the interchange intolerable. As you do other things along with some of your "friends". So so long to anything else I might want to discuss with you now. And/or certain others here...take care...Oh, before I go, I will also mention that you (and some of your compatriots here) have taught me a lot about what you believe and/or don't believe. So thank you and some others. It has been interesting.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
How do I "make things intolerable". He made a claim that he never supported. He falsely claimed that he did and then when called out for it he tried snide insult. I was not in the wrong here at all. There is something very wrong with the way that you see things.
He just acted in a similar manner in another thread. He thought that he was being cute when he posted a response using what he thought were to arcane terms for me to understand. It did not slow me down a bit. I then showed that he was wrong in his first claim and he used a bogus excuse for his failure instead of simply admitting that he was wrong. And even then he apparently purposefully misinterpreted the section of scripture that he was confused about.
Using reason.
Wanting facts.
Advocating tolerance.
Those things really get the blood boiling.
Glaurung
Denizen of Niflheim
Because the Ultra-Orthodox are politically powerful. Powerful enough to pressure the Israeli government into giving them such concessions. The issue is that such double standards cause resentment among the wider public. Demanding others risk their lives while they [the Ultra-Orthodox] spend theirs in the perpetual study of religion is blatantly unfair.
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Kinda shows you the weight of politics on people and nations.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The equivalent of ROTC. Assuming Israel has such a program college tuition paid in exchange for time serving as a military officer.