Alceste
Vagabond
I'm asking you. What is your proposed alternative to the UN?
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I'm asking you. What is your proposed alternative to the UN?
To disband it and never attempt to have a one world anything ever again.
Alceste
Vagabond
Would you prefer war as a method of resolving regional conflicts, and the victor decides the rules for everyone? Would you prefer that criminal heads of state like Saddam or Ghaddafi not be brought to justice?
If we do away with our forum for international diplomacy, treaties and enforcement you might as well start learning Chinese right now. You might need it if you make it through WWIII alive.
Would you prefer war as a method of resolving regional conflicts, and the victor decides the rules for everyone? Would you prefer that criminal heads of state like Saddam or Ghaddafi not be brought to justice?
If we do away with our forum for international diplomacy, treaties and enforcement you might as well start learning Chinese right now. You might need it if you make it through WWIII alive.
The U.N. did not bring Saddam to justice, several countries did against the U.N.'s wishes.
The U.N. did not bring OBL to justice, we did.
The U.N. did not bring Ghaddafi to justice, their own people did.
Alceste
Vagabond
The UN sanctioned action in Libya and Afghanistan. Would you have preferred the US to fight those battles alone?
The UN isn't needed to enlist help from allies.
Of course, I'd rather not be involved in either war.
Alceste
Vagabond
Me too, but the fact remains that the "every man for himself" approach prior to the creation of the UN gave us 2 World Wars in quick succession. Since its creation, wars have been fairly well-contained regional skirmishes. I am surprised to hear Rick would prefer to get rid of it and replace it with nothing, given the risks.
He didn't say to replace it with nothing.
Alceste
Vagabond
Sure he did. "Get rid of the UN and never again have anything like it" is a pretty unambiguous rejection of the entire concept of international law.
I didn't see that quote.
Which post # was it?
You're not reinterpreting his words & then artfully claiming an actual quote, are you?
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Yes I oppose international law. I am an American citizen not a world citizen.
As for the non replacement of the U.N. I have no problem with allies banding together to do as they wish.
Alceste
Vagabond
What, you can't scroll up a half a page?
I confess, I translated the "one world" part into Normal so I wouldn't have to go get my tinfoil hat to quote it.
Alceste
Vagabond
Well, thank heavens it isn't up to you then.
In all seriousness, it discourages discussion to purposely misquote.
Look at the reality of the situation Alceste, the U.N. is a paper tiger.
No one has to abide by their resolutions or get their permission to take action as it stands now.
Look at Iran or North Korea for instance.
Do you really want international law trumping your own laws in your country?
GabrielWithoutWings
Well-Known Member
Believe this is the quote referenced.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Works for me. As far as I am concerned the whole UN and World court have been dismal failures. I certainly would not want to see them replaced anytime soon. Perhaps in a hundred years...
Alceste
Vagabond
Yes, when it comes to holding my government accountable for systemic human rights violations against the first nations and border disputes, I want international laws, treaties and enforcement. The Gov. of Canada can not unilaterally decide where our borders lie and how our indigenous people should be treated with impartialty. Besides, without diplomacy and international cooperation to decide on borders, we are left with nothing but war.
Does it need reform? Sure - the veto powers need to go. Should we just give up on the whole project because it's not perfect? No, not unless we want to go back to having a world war every couple of decades.
Alceste
Vagabond
In all seriousness, it discourages serious discussion to offer a stylistic critique of individual posts without addressing the substance of the post.
To deliberately mis-quote posters doesn't strike me as a mere matter of style.
But is this what yer trying to say....
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