Israel-Gaza : Human Shields are Human Shields!

[Jayhawker Soule]

From Haaretz

Report: IDF sending Gazan civilians to check tunnels, homes it fears might be booby-trapped​

Haaretz reports that the IDF has been using Palestinian civilians as human shields during operations in Gaza, ordering them to go into tunnels and homes that the army fears may be booby-trapped.​

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“It is better that they explode and not the soldiers,” one of the soldiers speaking to Haaretz recalls being told by his commander who justified the practice.​

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Haaretz says the IDF has not been using terror suspects, but rather innocent civilians who it detains specifically for this practice.​

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The report cites several soldiers who have witnessed the tactic regularly used in Gaza.​

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Haaretz says the practice has been used across Gaza in recent months, and senior officers, including the chief of staff, were aware.​

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In its response to the report, the IDF does not appear to deny that the practice is carried out. It says that such conduct is prohibited, that this was made clear to troops and that the allegations are under investigation.​

There are no words.

 

[Regiomontanus]

I echo your last statement above.

 

[Twilight Hue]

From Haaretz

Report: IDF sending Gazan civilians to check tunnels, homes it fears might be booby-trapped​

Haaretz reports that the IDF has been using Palestinian civilians as human shields during operations in Gaza, ordering them to go into tunnels and homes that the army fears may be booby-trapped.​

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“It is better that they explode and not the soldiers,” one of the soldiers speaking to Haaretz recalls being told by his commander who justified the practice.​

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Haaretz says the IDF has not been using terror suspects, but rather innocent civilians who it detains specifically for this practice.​

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The report cites several soldiers who have witnessed the tactic regularly used in Gaza.​

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Haaretz says the practice has been used across Gaza in recent months, and senior officers, including the chief of staff, were aware.​

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In its response to the report, the IDF does not appear to deny that the practice is carried out. It says that such conduct is prohibited, that this was made clear to troops and that the allegations are under investigation.​

There are no words.

How is a civilian determined to be innocent?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

How is a civilian determined to be innocent?

That is an unbelievable ugly and stupid question, but it's interesting to see what disgusting actions you rush to embrace.

 

[Revoltingest]

How is a civilian determined to be innocent?

How is it that Israel ignores the possibility of innocence?

Oh, I know....they're not Jewish.
So their lives & deaths are insignificant.

 

[HonestJoe]

How is a civilian determined to be innocent?

Until proven guilty?

Anyway, it's not as if this would be OK if it only involved either criminal suspects or prisoners of war. If it happened, it would be wrong regardless who they used.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That is an unbelievable ugly and stupid question, but it's interesting to see what disgusting actions you rush to embrace.

Hey I'm not the one calling people innocent. Particularly in light of civilians strapping explosives to themselves and detonating in the middle of crowds of Israelis. An established distinction of 'innocent' civilians.

So I ask again , how do you determine who's innocent?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hey I'm not the one calling people innocent. Particularly in light of civilians strapping explosives to themselves and detonating in the middle of crowds of Israelis. An established distinction of 'innocent' civilians.

So I ask again , how do you determine who's innocent?

If they had dynamite strapped to them why would they let the IDF capture them when their goal is already to blow themselves up along with as many others as possible?
Also, you may have forgotten but we cherish this concept of "innocent until proven guilty."

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Hey I'm not the one calling people innocent.

No, you're the one who, with no basis whatsoever, presumes that the Haaretz article is a fabrication and nonchalantly floats the suggestion that the victims have it coming.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If they had dynamite strapped to them why would they let the IDF capture them when their goal is already to blow themselves up along with as many others as possible?

And what are we to make of the following?

“It is better that they explode and not the soldiers,” one of the soldiers speaking to Haaretz recalls being told by his commander who justified the practice.​

Also, you may have forgotten but we cherish this concept of "innocent until proven guilty."

I suspect that your reference to "we" is too inclusive.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No, you're the one who, with no basis whatsoever, presumes that the Haaretz article is a fabrication and nonchalantly floats the suggestion that the victims have it coming.

One could argue there is a degree of justification just as much givin the proven and well established terrorist history involved with that region as well.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And what are we to make of the following?

“It is better that they explode and not the soldiers,” one of the soldiers speaking to Haaretz recalls being told by his commander who justified the practice.

It's a level of hatred and misanthropy that I can't comprehend. How could anyone do such a thing to another human being? Cruelty doesn't even begin to describe it. It's so much hatred, so much violence, it's upsetting to think about it especially knowing Hamas and IDF are doing nothing but ensuring the continued suffering and dying of both Israelis and Palestinians.

I suspect that your reference to "we" is too inclusive.

Unfortunately.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

One could argue there is a degree of justification just as much givin the proven and well established terrorist history involved with that region as well.

So should I assume you're a morbidly obese idiot who believes in Biblical literalism since that's a well established thing in America?

 

[Twilight Hue]

If they had dynamite strapped to them why would they let the IDF capture them when their goal is already to blow themselves up along with as many others as possible?
Also, you may have forgotten but we cherish this concept of "innocent until proven guilty."

Also you may of forgotten their history.

Like this 'innocent' grandmother.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/in-gaza-a-grandmother-turns-suicide-bomber-1.605082

Your argument might have merit if life had more value to these people themselves.

 

[Revoltingest]

How could anyone do such a thing to another human being?

A perfect storm of an elitist religion
& feelings of vengeance towards
lesser humans.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Also you may of forgotten their history.

You may have forgotten their humanity.

 

[Father Heathen]

One could argue there is a degree of justification just as much givin the proven and well established terrorist history involved with that region as well.

There's never a justification for war crimes. This is exactly the sort of behavior that breeds terrorists. When innocent people are killed their families and friends don't forgive or forget.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A perfect storm of an elitist religion
& feelings of vengeance towards
lesser humans.

They're still human beings though. To totally strip another of that and treat them in such ways, it's foreign to me and terrifying.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Also you may of forgotten their history.

Like this 'innocent' grandmother.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/in-gaza-a-grandmother-turns-suicide-bomber-1.605082

Your argument might have merit if life had more value to these people themselves.

Did you read it?

At the compound where her extended family lives near Jebaliya camp, her oldest daughter Fatheya explained the bomber's motives. "They [the Israelis] destroyed her house, they killed her grandson — my son. Another grandson is in a wheelchair with an amputated leg," she said.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

They're still human beings though. To totally strip another of that and treat them in such ways, it's foreign to me and terrifying.

The signature characteristic of the Netanyahu/Smotrich/Ben-Gviir regime is it's truly wretched and xenophobic disregard for human life.