Israel going to the Right?

[metis]

What constitutes ownership? If a king/dictator/oligarchy were to say, "This land is mine/ours, but I tell you what you can do with it". With property taxes and regulations on land usage, we don't control the land, we only lease it. The situation is similar with monetary transactions, especially asset forfeiture.

Share what? How? Share responsibility, or use the government to define what a "fair" share is and how we achieve "fairness"--the most abused word in the dictionary.

There's a difference between "mine" and "ours", with the former being more a fascist approach and the latter being more a socialist approach. They simply are not synonymous words, and they both reflect different mindsets. The NAZI's simply did not operate out of the "ours" mindset as the political leadership pretty much dominated the economic landscape but not in a communal manner.

Therefore, I challenge you to post one source from maybe a political dictionary or encyclopedia that says otherwise. I did to show that you're wrong, so now it's your turn.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

What perhaps you did no know was how far the secret police could reach.
My gilfriends father was head of the secret police in Madrid. ( he had been a colonel under Fanco in the civil war)
One one occasion when she came to London he asked why she had not gone directly to her flat.
He told her all about me my family and Grand father, Who fortunately was well liked in Spain, as he had been responsible for much of their rail electrification.
We knew she was being watched while here, but never had any indication of it. When her mother came over she had a guard on duty all the time she was alone. Each time she joined us he went away, he was probaly still around but we never noticed.

I don't understand your point, it's just another example of state control, just far reaching.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

There's a difference between "mine" and "ours", with the former being more a fascist approach and the latter being more a socialist approach. They simply are not synonymous words, and they both reflect different mindsets.

I thought it was obvious that the "ours" coming from the mouth of a tyrant was fallacious.

The NAZI's simply did not operate out of the "ours" mindset as the political leadership pretty much dominated the economic landscape but not in a communal manner.

"Dominating the economic landscape" is socialism whether it's done in a communal manner (communism) or not (fascism) which was my whole point from the beginning. Thanks.

 

[metis]

I thought it was obvious that the "ours" coming from the mouth of a tyrant was fallacious.



"Dominating the economic landscape" is socialism whether it's done in a communal manner (communism) or not (fascism) which was my whole point from the beginning. Thanks.

Again, all you have done, as with the above, is to invent your own "dictionary", "encyclopedia", and "history". I've asked you to link us to any non-partisan economic/political source to substantiate your positions, and you haven't presented any. You have failed to provide a single link to show that fascism is the same as socialism and is left-wing, and/or that the NAZI's truly acted as socialists and not just payed lip-service to it in their title. You simply are inventing your own stories and can't provide one shred of evidence from any source to support your absurd positions. Meanwhile, I provided you with links that showed you were entirely wrong, which you virtually ignored.

Therefore, it is virtually impossible to have any kind of serious discussion on this with you.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Again, all you have done, as with the above, is to invent your own "dictionary", "encyclopedia", and "history". I've asked you to link us to any non-partisan economic/political source to substantiate your positions, and you haven't presented any. You have failed to provide a single link to show that fascism is the same as socialism and is left-wing, and/or that the NAZI's truly acted as socialists and not just payed lip-service to it in their title. You simply are inventing your own stories and can't provide one shred of evidence from any source to support your absurd positions. Meanwhile, I provided you with links that showed you were entirely wrong, which you virtually ignored.

Therefore, it is virtually impossible to have any kind of serious discussion on this with you.

If I took the time to find such a source, you would naturally reject it. But what I wrote stands on it's own. I'm not relying on the definition of socialism because, as I said, technically all government is socialism. You can't deny that. And if we can't reason our way beyond that, then the only thing left for us is to agree on which one of those two words is superfluous (government or socialism), and chuck into the lexicographic trash can.