Israeli Duty to Warn? What unmitigated gall (chutzpah)

[muhammad_isa]

I call out Islamists, not Muslims..

Yeah, sure .. just like the Israelis are ..the nations surrounding them just happen to be populated with "Islamists"

I wonder why? Nothing to do with their being there, I suppose.

 

[muhammad_isa]

As has been covered in this thread, about 1/3 of Palestinians support Hamas..

Probably more .. who do you expect them to support .. the right-wing Israeli govt. ?

Same applies in Lebanon..

 

[muhammad_isa]

I call out Islamists, not Muslims.

Many of the conflicts in Arab countries since WW's have been about Nationalism, and
civil wars due to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and under control of the West.

..but as soon as people in the region become more religious, demanding change, they become
"Islamists".
Islam has been their religion for centuries, so why do you think that they should not be permitted to take
it seriously?

 

[icehorse]

Whataboutism is always shares a context.
That's what makes it whataboutism.

Your posts defend Israel no matter what.
And appear to not value Jewish, but not Muslim lives.

More than anything, my posts attack the UN.

 

[icehorse]

Many of the conflicts in Arab countries since WW's have been about Nationalism, and
civil wars due to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and under control of the West.

..but as soon as people in the region become more religious, demanding change, they become
"Islamists".
Islam has been their religion for centuries, so why do you think that they should not be permitted to take
it seriously?

My definition of "Islamist" is a Muslim who wants to spread Islam (by force if necessary), to non-Muslim lands.

What's your definition?

 

[muhammad_isa]

The bar for Israel at the UN is for some reason 10 times higher than for every other country. It must accept neighbors launching missiles into it and not harm any civilians..

No .. that is not it. The UN does not agree with ANY nation being attacked by missiles.

The UN exists to promote peace. How can there be peace when Israel decides to explode more
bombs in Gaza alone, than in the bombing of Germany by the Allies in WWII ?

Germany was expanding militarily through racist ideology, as we all know .. but Gaza is a small
densely populated area, under the control of Israel. It makes no sense.

 

[Watchmen]

Probably more .. who do you expect them to support .. the right-wing Israeli govt. ?

Same applies in Lebanon..

How about instead of theocratic extremists who want to destroy every Jewish person on the planet, they support leadership that wants to pull the people out of poverty, establish peaceful relationships with its neighbors, and engage in free trade for the betterment of the people? How about leadership that believes in human rights and equality and promotes education and teaches tolerance? Those are the types I'd expect the people to support.

 

[muhammad_isa]

How about instead of theocratic extremists who want to destroy every Jewish person on the planet..

That's Western propaganda .. Muslims who take their religion seriously, are Islamists and
terrorists. The West often equate people against Zionism as anti-semitic etc.

How about leadership that believes in human rights and equality and promotes education and teaches tolerance?

As far as I'm aware, there were plenty of educational resources in Gaza, before Israel destroyed
them.

 

[Watchmen]

That's Western propaganda .. Muslims who take their religion seriously, are Islamists and
terrorists. The West often equate people against Zionism as anti-semitic etc.


As far as I'm aware, there were plenty of educational resources in Gaza, before Israel destroyed
them.

You’ve been misinformed.

 

[Revoltingest]

You’ve been misinformed.

 

[icehorse]

This isn't about reading skills. It's about calling out false claims.

At best, I think you're letting your reading of the text be coloured by your prejudice. At worst, you may just be flat-out misrepresenting the text.

I'm giving you a chance to correct this impression by showing us what you think implies what you say so that everyone in the thread can make a decision about your credibility.

Thanks so much boss for "giving me a chance", ffs.

Tell me how you interpret paragraph 20. I've copied it here, not for your benefit, but for everyone else who is reading this thread. I think your feeble attempts at gaslighting will be clear to everyone, nice job:

20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

This isn't the only paragraph that supports my claim, but it's a good place to start.

 

[icehorse]

 

[Revoltingest]

 

[Watchmen]

Wow. Useful. We all know you hate Israel so I'll take your criticism with a grain of salt.

 

[Revoltingest]

Wow. Useful. We all know you hate Israel so I'll take your criticism with a grain of salt.

Responding in kind....
We all know that you hate Muslims, so I'll take your
defense of genocide as a natural consequence.

Caution...
The above post is a parody of such bigotry.

 

[Watchmen]

Responding in kind....
We all know that you hate Muslims, so I'll take your
defense of genocide as a natural consequence.

Caution...
The above post is a parody of such bigotry.

To the contrary, I haven't posted 100s, if not 1000s, of rants about any specific group whereas you are constantly railing against Israel every chance you get.

 

[Revoltingest]

To the contrary, I haven't posted 100s, if not 1000s, of rants about any specific group whereas you are constantly railing against Israel every chance you get.

And you defend Israel's brutal oppression, theft,
murder, torture, group punishment, starvation,
apartheid, & genocide every chance you get.
And your posts show the typical tired tedious
accusations of anti-semitism for daring to
criticize God's Chosen People's official state.

See how this works?

 

[Watchmen]

And you defend Israel's brutal oppression, theft,
murder, torture, group punishment, starvation,
apartheid, & genocide every chance you get.
And your posts show the typical tired tedious
accusations of anti-semitism for daring to
criticize God's Chosen People's official state.

See how this works?

Interesting. I’ve done none of those things. You just wish them to be true.

 

[Revoltingest]

Interesting. I’ve done none of those things. You just wish them to be true.

When you make bogus statements,
be prepared for such a response.
IOW, don't dish it out if you can' take it.

 

[Watchmen]

When you make bogus statements,
be prepared for such a response.
IOW, don't dish it out if you can' take it.

I can take it just fine. You’re the one making up BS. You better check yourself before you wreck yourself.