ISRAELI SPECIAL FORCES RESCUE LAST REMAINING JEWS FROM SYRIA

[Godobeyer]

No they probably don't feel equal. But you won't understand it since it lies outside of your Arab/Muslim-centric world view.

it's very probably they feel equal .

can you show us video some report ,or interview? because there are many Jews were living in Arab countries ,i never hear that they say "they feel not equal to Arabs "

so they could tells how they were treated by Arab regimes like Moroco or Tunisia or Iran ?

 

[Shusha]

Thats very unusual. I have heard some women (3 stories), who sought a conversion to Judaism, being disappointed as they were forced to learn Hebrew and much of the Torah and Talmud in order to be even considered as to be judged by the court. One girls interest stopped after finding out she had to learn so much. The court (i believe its "sanhedrin" of a local community) decides whether she can pass or not as a convert. and even when 1 girl, who studied alot, had passed the judgemed (she learned hebrew and scriptures) she was not regarded a jew by the community and they told her that only if she married jewish then her children would be jews but that she herself would never be an authentic jewess in this life.

I don't understand how anyone would think they could become Jewish without understanding Torah and the language it is written in. This is the essence of Judaism. Its foundation. And walls and roof. One could no more be Jewish without learning Torah than one could build a house without knowing how to use a hammer and saw.

In your original post on the subject I was under the impression you were saying the Orthodox people were making conversion difficult and were being intentionally unwelcoming. And I wanted to say that this was not my experience. But now you seem to be saying that it is the quantity of learning which is difficult. Converting to Judaism is certainly more involved than simply reciting a phrase or accepting a belief.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I don't understand how anyone would think they could become Jewish without understanding Torah and the language it is written in.

You understand Torah and Biblical Hebrew? Impressive.

 

[Shusha]

You understand Torah and Biblical Hebrew? Impressive.

Ha! Not yet. But I'm working on it.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You understand Torah and Biblical Hebrew? Impressive.

Just FYI: if one could not "become Jewish without understanding Torah and the language it is written in" there would be a hell of a lot fewer converts. You overreach ...

 

[Flankerl]

because there are many Jews were living in Arab countries ,i never hear that they say "they feel not equal to Arabs "

You see you are wrong from the beginning. There aren't many Jews living in Arab countries. ~4.500 Jews are living in all Arab countries combined. That's 0.03 % of all Jews in the entire world.

And of course you don't hear anything from them, those who are left keep quiet so that the mob walks past them.


Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud, Jaish Muhammad saya'ud!

You probably see nothing wrong in the video while it explains the entire problem of minorities in Muslim countries.

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

I don't understand how anyone would think they could become Jewish without understanding Torah and the language it is written in. This is the essence of Judaism. Its foundation. And walls and roof. One could no more be Jewish without learning Torah than one could build a house without knowing how to use a hammer and saw.

In your original post on the subject I was under the impression you were saying the Orthodox people were making conversion difficult and were being intentionally unwelcoming. And I wanted to say that this was not my experience. But now you seem to be saying that it is the quantity of learning which is difficult. Converting to Judaism is certainly more involved than simply reciting a phrase or accepting a belief.

Yes. Consider converting to Catholicism. You dont need to learn anything. Just going to church on Sunday regularly. You see how much of a difference this is?

 

[Shusha]

Just FYI: if one could not "become Jewish without understanding Torah and the language it is written in" there would be a hell of a lot fewer converts. You overreach ...

Ha. Probably. I do tend to do that.

 

[Godobeyer]

You see you are wrong from the beginning. There aren't many Jews living in Arab countries. ~4.500 Jews are living in all Arab countries combined. That's 0.03 % of all Jews in the entire world.

And of course you don't hear anything from them, those who are left keep quiet so that the mob walks past them.


Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud, Jaish Muhammad saya'ud!

You probably see nothing wrong in the video while it explains the entire problem of minorities in Muslim countries.

it's seems you are talking to different subject

whatever their percentage , they live in equal to Arabs

i am talking about :
you don't find any clue (video) proof that some Jews (whom lived with Arabs ) don't equal ?


even some Jews don't feel equal in Israel

Ethiopian Jews face racism in Israel

 

[Flankerl]

it's seems you are talking to different subject

whatever their percentage , they live in equal to Arabs

i am talking about :
you don't find any clue (video) proof that some Jews (whom lived with Arabs ) don't equal ?

So let's say you live as a minority in a country where the majority is known to lash out on to you due to the slightest cough up that might ever happen. Would you criticize them? Since you are a tough, strong Muslim/Arab you obviously say yes, but imagine not being a Muslim/Arab (which you probably can't).
Because as in the case of the Video(which you obviously ignored) you wouldn't be on the side of the "ALLAHU AKBAR/KHAYBAR KHAYBAR" screaming mob but inside the Synagogue/Church. And they are out there screaming that the Army of Muhammad has returned and that you really shouldn't forget who can get you whenever they want.

And of course now they are relatively save(in the case of Tunisian Jews its because they live on an Island for crying out loud) due to their minimal numbers. Its not difficult to live in peace with people who make up under 0.01% of the total population because you will probably never ever meet them or interact with them.
The problem for these people is that they in turn will always come in contact with the 99.99% of the majority.

You simply don't know how it is to be part of a minority.

even some Jews don't feel equal in Israel

Ethiopian Jews face racism in Israel

Oh look PressTV. Is that supposed to prove something? Just your average Iranian propaganda about the evil Zionists.
Without the rescue operations of the evil Zionists these people wouldn't exist in the first place. Though you obviously have never heard about these rescue operations.


Is there Racism in Israel? Yeah.
Why? Because Racism exists on the entire world, why should Israel be different?

Oh and btw I have Ethiopian Jews in the family, a cousin married one.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Oh look PressTV. or, maybe,

Perhaps you'd prefer CNN or the BBC or, maybe, ynetnews. Then there's Haaretz or the Times of Israel.

 

[Flankerl]

!!!!! >>>>>>>>>> "Is there Racism in Israel? Yeah." <<<<<<<<<< !!!!!

 

[metis]

Yes. Consider converting to Catholicism. You dont need to learn anything. Just going to church on Sunday regularly. You see how much of a difference this is?

False. The RCC has what is called the RCIA program that is necessary to take in order to convert, although some parishes still allow one-on-one sessions with the priest.

 

[Godobeyer]

]So let's say you live as a minority in a country where the majority is known to lash out on to you due to the slightest cough up that might ever happen. Would you criticize them? Since you are a tough, strong Muslim/Arab you obviously say yes, but imagine not being a Muslim/Arab (which you probably can't).
Because as in the case of the Video(which you obviously ignored) you wouldn't be on the side of the "ALLAHU AKBAR/KHAYBAR KHAYBAR" screaming mob but inside the Synagogue/Church. And they are out there screaming that the Army of Muhammad has returned and that you really shouldn't forget who can get you whenever they want.

And of course now they are relatively save(in the case of Tunisian Jews its because they live on an Island for crying out loud) due to their minimal numbers. Its not difficult to live in peace with people who make up under 0.01% of the total population because you will probably never ever meet them or interact with them.
The problem for these people is that they in turn will always come in contact with the 99.99% of the majority.

You simply don't know how it is to be part of a minority.

don't you see ? I request interview video , about how the Jews whom living in Arab world treated by majority !!

I watch many interviews about Jews living in Tunisia and Moroco and Iran , they living full right and they never said , "they felt not equal to Arabs"

Oh look PressTV. Is that supposed to prove something? Just your average Iranian propaganda about the evil Zionists.
Without the rescue operations of the evil Zionists these people wouldn't exist in the first place. Though you obviously have never heard about these rescue operations.


Is there Racism in Israel? Yeah.
Why? Because Racism exists on the entire world, why should Israel be different?

Oh and btw I have Ethiopian Jews in the family, a cousin married one.

That's Israeli community problem , racist against Ethiopain Jews or Arabs .

Indeed racist it's could be individual , but it's because more commun ,that's make serious problem in community .

 

[Flankerl]

don't you see ? I request interview video , about how the Jews whom living in Arab world treated by majority !!

I watch many interviews about Jews living in Tunisia and Moroco and Iran , they living full right and they never said , "they felt not equal to Arabs"

You can request all you want but its like requesting the honest opinion of North Korean citizens. It simply doesn't happen.
In countries like Iran reporters are taken on guided tours so that someone who works for the Government is always present and makes sure through his presence that nothing wrong is ever said.
This obviously doesn't only happen in Muslim or Arab countries, it also happens in the various other Dictatorships of the world.

Whenever I see these videos where minorities are paraded around and they go on how so perfect their lives are and that X is the best country ever you can see them looking past the reporter or camera. This is when they check who else is listening. Its just basic human nature. Was also observable in the former Warsaw Pact.

Also in case of Iran, Jews are not able to hold higher offices. Be it in politics, armed forces, university, etc. Since Shiites are able to hold these positions I would call that being not equal.
Also in case of Iran, Jews have to visit a special bureau to get their approval to leave the country temporarily. Obviously they aren't allowed to take their family with them as they might not come back. Shiite Iranians are exempt from this. I call that being not equal.

Just to be clear, I am not expecting you to understand all this. It would require for you to actually question the Status-Quo of the civilisation you live in. And that you simply can't do.

That's Israeli community problem , racist against Ethiopain Jews or Arabs .

Indeed racist it's could be individual , but it's because more commun ,that's make serious problem in community .

So tell me of a country where no racism exists. I have lots of time.

inb4 the Muslim countries.

 

[Godobeyer]

You can request all you want but its like requesting the honest opinion of North Korean citizens. It simply doesn't happen.
In countries like Iran reporters are taken on guided tours so that someone who works for the Government is always present and makes sure through his presence that nothing wrong is ever said.
This obviously doesn't only happen in Muslim or Arab countries, it also happens in the various other Dictatorships of the world.

Whenever I see these videos where minorities are paraded around and they go on how so perfect their lives are and that X is the best country ever you can see them looking past the reporter or camera. This is when they check who else is listening. Its just basic human nature. Was also observable in the former Warsaw Pact.

Also in case of Iran, Jews are not able to hold higher offices. Be it in politics, armed forces, university, etc. Since Shiites are able to hold these positions I would call that being not equal.
Also in case of Iran, Jews have to visit a special bureau to get their approval to leave the country temporarily. Obviously they aren't allowed to take their family with them as they might not come back. Shiite Iranians are exempt from this. I call that being not equal.

Just to be clear, I am not expecting you to understand all this. It would require for you to actually question the Status-Quo of the civilisation you live in. And that you simply can't do.




So tell me of a country where no racism exists. I have lots of time.

inb4 the Muslim countries.

I know it !

of course you had no credible argument that Jews whom living in Arab countries feel not equal .

 

[Flankerl]

Its like talking to a wall.

Oh well.


Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud, Jaish Muhammad saya'ud!

 

[rosends]

Thats very unusual. I have heard some women (3 stories), who sought a conversion to Judaism, being disappointed as they were forced to learn Hebrew and much of the Torah and Talmud in order to be even considered as to be judged by the court. One girls interest stopped after finding out she had to learn so much. The court (i believe its "sanhedrin" of a local community) decides whether she can pass or not as a convert. and even when 1 girl, who studied alot, had passed the judgemed (she learned hebrew and scriptures) she was not regarded a jew by the community and they told her that only if she married jewish then her children would be jews but that she herself would never be an authentic jewess in this life.

You have heard stories. That's nice. Clearly, in the retelling, something got lost. Conversion requires that one learn about Judaism, and practices certain parts of it. Learning some basic Hebrew helps with that but is not essential. Learning the talmud is really not required. I mean, seriously, not required. The court (a beit din, not a Sanhedrin...the story continues to make mistakes) is a final step after the convert prospect has been guided by a rabbi for a while (a year or two...or more). So by the time the person appears before the court, much has been done and rarely is anyone turned away at that late point because the guiding rabbi is often on the beit din and has been assessing the prospect throughout the process. Additionally, if the woman in your story has a child who is Jewish, then the women is obviously 100% Jewish. No community (other than maybe a Syrian one IIRC) would say she is less than 100% Jewish. Your anecdotes are a crock.

 

[Godobeyer]

Its like talking to a wall.

Oh well.


Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud, Jaish Muhammad saya'ud!

you the wall of course

 

[RocketJSquirell]

Godobeyer

There were 265,000 Jews in Morocco in 1948 there were 2000 in 2014 and there are fewer today.
There were 105,000 Jews in Tunisia in 1948 there were 1,400 in 2014 and there are fewer today.
Jews do not live normal lives in either place, although Morocco and Tunisia have historically been somewhat better than other Arab countries. Better is not good.
The only time that Jews had anything approaching rights in Arab countries is when those countries were European colonies.