Israelis and Palestinians can’t go on like this. Weep for us.

[Nimos]

God is probably going to step in and fix it any time now.... just have to wait a little bit longer... almost there...

 

[icehorse]

An acquaintance suggested making the "holy" cities a UNESCO site - open to everyone in the world.

I can't help but think that it's religious zealots on BOTH sides of this conflict that continue to foment the situation. I suspect that without the religious zealotry on BOTH sides, the PEOPLE on both sides would quickly come to peaceful solutions.

Religion strikes again !

 

[Revoltingest]

God is probably going to step in and fix it any time now.... just have to wait a little bit longer... almost there...

Looking over history, it appears that God abhors peace.

 

[KerimF]

Let us remember always that no matter for which reasons humans are driven to destroy each other, wars and bloody conflicts are always mines of gold for the powerful rich Elite in each period of time.
One may wonder who the today’s world’s Elite are. They are surely not Israelis or Palestinians.

I personally love even those who are created to play the enemies and I don’t need resisting any evil because I am not of this world anymore. The worst thing that those Elite can do to me is to kill just my living body, not my soul which I let be an image of my Father in Heaven who makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends his rain on the just and on the unjust.

 

[Revoltingest]

An acquaintance suggested making the "holy" cities a UNESCO site - open to everyone in the world.

I can't help but think that it's religious zealots on BOTH sides of this conflict that continue to foment the situation. I suspect that without the religious zealotry on BOTH sides, the PEOPLE on both sides would quickly come to peaceful solutions.

Religion strikes again !

A big difference is that Israel is a government....the top dog
in this debacle. So I give it greater responsibility to find &
implement solutions.
I too blame religions, but that focus will get us nowhere.

 

[Revoltingest]

In the news....
Is Israel reaching a tipping point with internal clashes?

Granted, the news is a limited window into a country's situation,
but I keep seeing interviews with non-Jewish Israeli citizens who
complain of 2nd class citizen status. The country might very well
fail if they continue inspiring enemies from within & without.
They could learn from what happened in S Aftrica.

 

[Wandering Monk]

This piece expresses how I feel. May the day soon come when Israeli says to Palestinian Shalom Aleichem (peace to you) and the Palestinian responds As-salaamu Alaikum (upon you peace) and both mean it from the bottom of their hearts. Because on that day the horror that is the region will be over.

My prayer:
May the Light of God's Silence break in every heart.
Let there be peace and love among all beings in the universe.

Israelis and Palestinians can’t go on like this. Weep for us.
...
At night, the furies, Jewish and Arab, fill streets in Israeli towns and attack people. Hamas, finding a chance to be noticed, throws rockets, not caring who they hit. Israel’s military aims carefully at Gaza. Either way, people are shredded.

I remember the first time I saw a pool of blood after a terrorist bombing in my neighborhood, and the first time I saw torn pieces of what had been a person on a downtown storefront. Bombs did not liberate anyone. If you have looked on these things, and you now hear of the rockets hitting Israel and buildings bombed in Gaza, then it is impossible to bear hearing people far away talk with certainty about which missiles are evil and which are necessary.

Weep, damn it, weep for us. Weep for this place in the season of wildflowers when it should be beautiful, weep for the dead and the living, weep for God who can’t get us to stop, weep for humanity.

Somehow this will stop. May it happen now, as you read this. We will see each other’s faces, each other’s pain. We will realize this cannot go on. We will find each other. It is what can come after anger and grief, what must come. I have to believe.

These words are what I have left after all the explanations and counterfeit certainties. I have tears for two peoples, tangled together, and hope that we’ll finally see that this can’t go on. We can’t let it.

Stop empowering the people who bring war, namely Netanyahu and Hamas.

 

[pearl]

The Palestinians live within an occupied land under Israeli occupation and all that military occupation implies. As I see it, whatever goods and services reach them is pretty much up to Israel. When it comes to acts of war are they proportional? Hamas knows it can't possibly win, what do they hope to accomplish aside from the favor of public opinion which so far has not helped them. What hurts the Jews in the public court of opinion is the decades of taking land they was not originally allotted to them, increasing the number of settlements.

 

[sun rise]

It seems it can go on indefinitely. It's been going on for the last century or so with no end in sight.

Sadly yes as this thread illustrates.

 

[sun rise]

An acquaintance suggested making the "holy" cities a UNESCO site - open to everyone in the world.

I can't help but think that it's religious zealots on BOTH sides of this conflict that continue to foment the situation. I suspect that without the religious zealotry on BOTH sides, the PEOPLE on both sides would quickly come to peaceful solutions.

Religion strikes again !

Non-religious people can be fanatical as well (Cambodia for one example). But in this case it's a toxic blend of religious fanaticism, self-righteousness nationalism and pure fear and hatred.

 

[Batya]

Non-religious people can be fanatical as well (Cambodia for one example). But in this case it's a toxic blend of religious fanaticism, self-righteousness nationalism and pure fear and hatred.

Never mind protecting themselves from their neighbors whose leaders would like to drown them in the sea.

 

[Kooky]

Non-religious people can be fanatical as well (Cambodia for one example). But in this case it's a toxic blend of religious fanaticism, self-righteousness nationalism and pure fear and hatred.

Do you not believe that any political agend has a rational goal they are accomplishing with this? That's it's all just irrational insanity?

The current situation doesn't point towards that interpretation, quite the contrary.

 

[Kooky]

Never mind protecting themselves from their neighbors whose leaders would like to drown them in the sea.

Whom are you referring to, the Israeli settlers community in West Bank, or the Arab native population?

 

[Lyndon]

One of the main characteristics of a fascist state is they attack the media and free press;

Israeli forces destroy media outlets' Gaza base, claiming it housed 'Hamas military intelligence'

 

[KerimF]

Wars and bloody conflicts are mines of gold for the powerful rich world's Elite, in every period of time.

In these days, those world’s Elite are surely not the Israelis or the Palestinians.

Therefore, they support both sides, under and above the table, so that no side will win at the end of this war. By doing this, they can give both of them the opportunity to live more wars in the future.

This genius strategy is applied on many regions on earth, not just in Palestine

What a wonderful world!

 

[Revoltingest]

Wars and bloody conflicts are mines of gold for the powerful rich world's Elite, in every period of time.

In these days, those world’s Elite are surely not the Israelis or the Palestinians.

Therefore, they support both sides, under and above the table, so that no side will win at the end of this war. By doing this, they can give both of them the opportunity to live more wars in the future.

This genius strategy is applied on many regions on earth, not just in Palestine

What a wonderful world!

I wonder....who is making the money & how?

 

[KerimF]

I wonder....who is making the money & how?

If I will answer your question, you and many others will have to wonder about many other things.

In case you really have no idea yet about the real beneficiaries of this war for example, I am afraid you need to find it out by yourself But I also understand if you can't agree, in any way, with me on the natural fact I presented. After all, all those who were/are driven to destroy each other are supposed not to know it or even hear of it.

 

[Revoltingest]

If I will answer your question, you and many others will have to wonder about many other things.

In case you really have no idea yet about the real beneficiaries of this war for example, I am afraid you need to find it out by yourself But I also understand if you can't agree, in any way, with me on the natural fact I presented. After all, all those who were/are driven to destroy each other are supposed not to know it or even hear of it.

It's a claim I often hear from cynics who like to blame
some unnamed boogeyman. But I need more than
their leap to belief. Certainly, it can happen, but each
situation is different.

 

[Batya]

Whom are you referring to, the Israeli settlers community in West Bank, or the Arab native population?

I was referring to Israelis in general. It seems people tend to portray this situation in Israel as a result of religious fanaticism (on Israel's part) or just hatred of Arabs/ Palestinians, while it's really a matter of survival and national security.

 

[Revoltingest]

I was referring to Israelis in general. It seems people tend to portray this situation in Israel as a result of religious fanaticism (on Israel's part) or just hatred of Arabs/ Palestinians, while it's really a matter of survival and national security.

This is not what I've observed IRL & in the news over many years.
They claim a matter of survival, & even believe it, but it's also driven
by bigotry towards & hatred for Arabs & Muslims in general. Their
sense of superiority & entitlement, coupled with religiosity has robbed
the country of empathy & reason. They say they want peace, but
they pursue continued hostility. Perhaps this even serves their
sense of unity & solidarity? Having a constant enemy is useful.

 

[KerimF]

It's a claim I often hear from cynics who like to blame
some unnamed boogeyman. But I need more than
their leap to belief. Certainly, it can happen, but each
situation is different.

I personally don't need to judge or even blame anyone in the world. I just used discovering, as a neutral independent observer, the well-hidden truths in any important story made for adults and approved by certain Big Heads. And I do it just for myself, so that I don't see on the mirror a naive confused person.

I guess if you are sure of what you know, you have nothing to worry about anytime you hear something not real to you.
But, truth be told, I also met some persons who see themselves the guardians of whom they believe they are not as intelligent as they are. For example, I won't be surprised if I meet someone in RF who is playing the intellectual guardian by protecting some RF members who, he thinks, are not intelligent enough to know what is real/true or not when they read other's posts.