Issue with the American Left.

[Father]

Just a question, why does the Left here try to turn issues of Class into issues of race?
or sex. or gender. or hair color. really they turn every logical explainable issue into some Good and Evil argument/

I mean one video I watched had a bunch of black and white people stand in a line then move up two paces if the following applied to them

"parents still together" move up 2 *not a cause of society*

"Had a father figure" (self-evident to the first question) *partially a cause of society for good reason*

"Can afford college" *let's be honest we all get molested with debt once we get out*

"didn't have to help their parents pay bills" *oh come on you know that is rigged*

and of course from how rigged it is they tried focusing on the fact it was only white people stepping forward. not like the entire midwest is full of poor white people or anything. or how the south is always considered poor rural and dumb, yet of course only when it's in their favor *the left*

things that that along with many other issues they always try to spin when the issue itself is not even an issue. it's just Class. the wealthy will always hold an advantage over the weak. thats capitalism that's nature.

it seems like every issue that has an explainable or logical reason they try sewing into some racist patriarchy, mind you I still have not gotten my white privilege members card and am wondering who I can contact go get it.

it's like the right turns everything into an issue of religion or tradition. the left, issues of race and sex, together both form the most stupid self-centered group of possible insane asylum escape's I have ever seen.

thoughts?

 

[Mindmaster]

Just a question, why does the Left here try to turn issues of Class into issues of race?
or sex. or gender. or hair color. really they turn every logical explainable issue into some Good and Evil argument/

I'm not sure that "the left" is comprised of people with great logically prowess... They seem mostly emotionally driven... The result is that "right now" feel good vibes for them trump long term progress or advantages. Jokingly most of my friends refer to this as the "regressive left" in that giving them what they want in the short term leads to a long range cluster ****.

Identity politics are garbage, in only that no one gives a flying crap about your life in this way. LGBTQ+IIA+WHATEVER is <2% of the population, and while I feel no laws should be made against them certainly they are so small that nothing should be made for them. What's the point of constantly talking about such a set of issues that affect such an insignificant number of people? Oh yea... I got it...

ITS ALL A DISTRACTION - they rather talk about these worthless personal issues than anything that results in an improvement in our living. I have better uses of my life than to talk about your preferred pronouns, identity, sexual partners, or whatever. You want to waste your time on these insignificant issues feel free, they help no one not even the people who live in these ways.

Talking about these things just means you ignore the bread and butter like jobs, money, economics, quality of living, etc... That's why the Dems crater in the elections... And, they're still cratering - they just decide to double down on the stupidity instead of evaluating what is wrong. It must be that they're not out of touch enough yet, well that's fine... I'll be laughing in the next clean sweep Presidential election and watch the Congress empty out as well as they do nothing get run over by the people that want to work for our money.

 

[Quetzal]

Just a question, why does the Left here try to turn issues of Class into issues of race?

Because in some instances it makes sense. This has nothing to do with political alignment, by the way.

it's just Class. the wealthy will always hold an advantage over the weak. thats capitalism that's nature.

Yes, however, census data points out a very clear divide with race and income. Why do you think this is?
From the following source: https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/income-poverty/historical-income-people.html
Per Capita Income (national average) Black: $22,861
Per Capita Income (national average) White: $35,186

That is a whopping 35% difference, that is significant.

thoughts?

I am curious as to why you are turning this into a polarized political issue instead of a level headed discussion of income equality. You make many assumptions that are reaches at best.

 

[proudpagan]

why does the Left here try to turn issues of Class into issues of race?
or sex. or gender. or hair color. really they turn every logical explainable issue into some Good and Evil argument/

Communism guarantees you equality but like that of **** . Bolshevism, which is in reality an attack on the world of the spirit, pretends to be intellectual itself. Where circumstances demand, it comes as deadly predator, only disguised as a harmless critter. Underneath the false mask which it here and there assumes, there are always malicious forces of world destruction. And where it has had the opportunity of practicing its theories it has created “The Paradise of the Workers and Peasants”, in the shape of a fearful desert of starving and hungering people. According to accounts given by the Soviets themselves and including other reliable sources, the number of persons executed within the first 5 years of Soviet rule must be placed at about 1,860,000, in round numbers. Of these, 6,000 were teachers and professors, 8,800 were doctors of medicine, 54,000 were army officers, 260,000 soldiers, 105,000 police officials, 49,000 gendarmes, 12,800 civil servants, 355,000 persons of the upper classes, 192,000 workers, and 815,000 peasants.

The leftists are ****ing ******** of civilizations

 

[Falvlun]

I'm not sure why it's taken for granted that the Left is overly concerned with Identity politics, as opposed to the Right.

I mean, isn't it the conservatives who are the ones super concerned about gay people getting married, or what bathrooms trans people use, or whether women can get abortions or birth control? Did not this current President get elected by stoking fears of Muslim and Mexican immigrants?

Sure, the Left is concerned with "identity politics" but so is the Right. Wby would the Left need to fight for LGBT rights if the Right wasn't trying to take them away?

 

[Father]

I'm not sure why it's taken for granted that the Left is overly concerned with Identity politics, as opposed to the Right.

I mean, isn't it the conservatives who are the ones super concerned about gay people getting married, or what bathrooms trans people use, or whether women can get abortions or birth control? Did not this current President get elected by stoking fears of Muslim and Mexican immigrants?

Sure, the Left is concerned with "identity politics" but so is the Right. Wby would the Left need to fight for LGBT rights if the Right wasn't trying to take them away?

fear of Muslims is justified. look at European crime statistics. furthermore, the doctrine itself is not the most connectable to western values. the OT is not either but everyone ignores the stone the gay's and don't wear mixed fabric. the Muslims tend to actually follow their book. which is why Gay's are executed in Muslim nations or forced to convert to the other sex like in Saudi Arabia. their women's rights have digressed greatly due to the rise of the Taliban. and speaking on anything bad about Islam or speaking about any other religion in a non-negative manner can get you prison time and lashes. why the left defends them when it contradicts all their other positions is beyond me.

the Right has its own problems too. however gay marriage is legalized and no one really cares about it anymore. there are issues around the trans bathroom thing I don't really care some do. and abortion I have no comment other than there are too many Humans. I personally think all drugs except say meth should be legal and regulated. and we should pull all militia from everywhere and pull them back to America and simply strengthen our border's. sanction China to get back industry and tax churches

I am hardly Left or Right I simply hold different opinions per issue.

furthermore, the Right while occasionally tries to take rights away granted. the left needs to fight for them as to push the envelope. society and culture each decade have new issues and the goal of the left is to push the envelope the goal of the right to make sure it does not destroy tradition. tradition and culture are the foundation of society and should be valued like progress.

its a complex issue with both. I personally dislike the party system in general. but if we are going to have it, some things need reform. great reform.

 

[Stevicus]

Just a question, why does the Left here try to turn issues of Class into issues of race?
or sex. or gender. or hair color. really they turn every logical explainable issue into some Good and Evil argument/

I don't know. I guess it really depends on the topic under discussion. If it's about class, then it's about class - although race and gender might also get included if they become relevant to the discussion. I think there are many on the Left who focus too heavily on identity politics while putting class issues on the back burner.

I mean one video I watched had a bunch of black and white people stand in a line then move up two paces if the following applied to them

"parents still together" move up 2 *not a cause of society*

"Had a father figure" (self-evident to the first question) *partially a cause of society for good reason*

"Can afford college" *let's be honest we all get molested with debt once we get out*

"didn't have to help their parents pay bills" *oh come on you know that is rigged*

I must have missed that video.

and of course from how rigged it is they tried focusing on the fact it was only white people stepping forward. not like the entire midwest is full of poor white people or anything. or how the south is always considered poor rural and dumb, yet of course only when it's in their favor *the left*

Yeah, I think it's a bad mistake for some Leftists to use the tactics of ridicule or make fun of Southerners and/or rural people. They alienate a lot of would-be supporters that way. The Left needs to pick its battles more wisely.

That doesn't mean that they're wrong about the system being "rigged," although that's all the more reason to focus more on the ruling class and those who hold the power - not the poor rural folks.

things that that along with many other issues they always try to spin when the issue itself is not even an issue. it's just Class. the wealthy will always hold an advantage over the weak. thats capitalism that's nature.

Yes, perhaps - if we want to live under some kind of quasi-anarchistic "natural law." That's where capitalism has a lot in common with nationalism - the idea that the strong take the weak, the big fish eat the little fish. That sort of thing.

That may be why they're often associated with each other, since they both seem to subscribe to variations of "natural law."

When you say the "wealthy will always hold an advantage over the weak," that's an interesting way to put it, since "weak" and "wealthy" aren't necessarily antonyms of each other.

The thing is, the elite in any society are few, although they seem to hold some kind of abstract, psychological advantage over the masses in some way or another. But that can happen in different ways.

For the longest time in human history, people were compelled to believe that certain people had some sort of religious authority or "divine right." It was considered part of the "natural" order that a few chosen individuals govern society and hold the wealth, while the majority had to toil in the fields or mines.

Nationalism and racism took the same principle and applied it to nations and/or races, depending on the context. It's the idea that "we" were meant to rule, it's our birthright, our "Manifest Destiny." For a time, the Germans thought it was their destiny to rule the world and felt that it was in line with "nature" - the strong dominating the weak. But they weren't as strong as they thought they were.

Capitalism also tends to justify itself by using the "natural order" argument, although there are differing degrees depending on how much government restraint there might be. Our system is more of a mixed system combining elements of both capitalism and socialism, much of which was forced on to the government as a result of the Depression and WW2 which were crises that required deep changes and a national mobilization.

Some of the more ardent capitalists seem to want to move away from the reforms of that era and ostensibly wish to return America to a more 19th-century form of capitalism which might make some leftists a bit nervous.

it seems like every issue that has an explainable or logical reason they try sewing into some racist patriarchy, mind you I still have not gotten my white privilege members card and am wondering who I can contact go get it.

it's like the right turns everything into an issue of religion or tradition. the left, issues of race and sex, together both form the most stupid self-centered group of possible insane asylum escape's I have ever seen.

thoughts?

The Left might see itself on the side of liberation and egalitarianism, so supporting racial and gender equality would be logical positions for the Left to hold. There may be some who try to turn everything into a race or gender issue. I've noticed that there might be those who get stuck on certain issues to the exclusion of other issues. That may be a human failing; I don't know. There are those who get stuck on a certain train of thought and end up sounding like broken records. That's not anything exclusive to either Left or Right - that's just human.

But yeah, I guess it can seem like an insane asylum. But that's also a part of "nature," I suppose. If you want to live by "natural law," then you gotta expect a certain cause-and-effect to take place.

 

[proudpagan]

I am hardly Left or Right I simply hold different opinions per issue.

Mashallah

 

[Father]

I'm not sure why it's taken for granted that the Left is overly concerned with Identity politics, as opposed to the Right.

I mean, isn't it the conservatives who are the ones super concerned about gay people getting married, or what bathrooms trans people use, or whether women can get abortions or birth control? Did not this current President get elected by stoking fears of Muslim and Mexican immigrants?

Sure, the Left is concerned with "identity politics" but so is the Right. Wby would the Left need to fight for LGBT rights if the Right wasn't trying to take them away?

as for Mexico. it's hardly an issue of legal immigrants while I understand 90% of the populous is too stupid to know the difference between Legal and Illegal and why the Latter is an issue. but when entering a nation you should do it through the proper channels. as so we know who you are why your here and for tax and other purposes

are some of his fans idiots? yes. so was the majority backing the snake of Hillary however it does not remove the issues and concerns both sides have that must be answered

 

[Father]

Mashallah

"Mashallah?"

 

[Falvlun]

as for Mexico. it's hardly an issue of legal immigrants while I understand 90% of the populous is too stupid to know the difference between Legal and Illegal and why the Latter is an issue. but when entering a nation you should do it through the proper channels. as so we know who you are why your here and for tax and other purposes

are some of his fans idiots? yes. so was the majority backing the snake of Hillary however it does not remove the issues and concerns both sides have that must be answered

Whether you agree with the particular policies or not is besides the point I was making.

The point was that "identity politics" aren't a Left thing. They are a political thing, with one party reacting to the identity politics of the other party. But, for some reason, only the Left is called out for it.

 

[Father]

The Left might see itself on the side of liberation and egalitarianism, so supporting racial and gender equality would be logical positions for the Left to hold. There may be some who try to turn everything into a race or gender issue. I've noticed that there might be those who get stuck on certain issues to the exclusion of other issues. That may be a human failing; I don't know. There are those who get stuck on a certain train of thought and end up sounding like broken records. That's not anything exclusive to either Left or Right - that's just human.
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"Just Human" yes Humans are stupid little beings but some of them are not that stupid. The puppeteers are smart enough to pit half the nation against the other.
maybe we should just only let those who pass a basic IQ test vote along with a test showing they know about what they are actually voting on. so we don't get pure party loyalists who vote like pawns just because they can.

 

[Father]

Whether you agree with the particular policies or not is besides the point I was making.

The point was that "identity politics" aren't a Left thing. They are a political thing, with one party reacting to the identity politics of the other party. But, for some reason, only the Left is called out for it.

because they are the best at it. they do it the most.
they turn the most media about it.
and back it the most.

both sides do it yes. but different ways. I don't hear all the media *predominately left* or Hollywood completely going Christian. furthermore, the Left has been pushing its ideology within colleges and many aspects of society. along with attempted censorship thanks to Google like on Youtube and Google as a search engine.

both are annoying. but the left is increasingly annoying. and attempting to Bend society to its knee's and corrupt the Truth.

 

[proudpagan]

the Germans thought it was their destiny to rule the world and felt that it was in line with "nature" - the strong dominating the weak

Your remarks is controversial as several history revisionists have questioned it and have went through hard times . Truth needs not fear investigation but holocaust does uwu

 

[Father]

Nationalism and racism took the same principle and applied it to nations and/or races, depending on the context. It's the idea that "we" were meant to rule, it's our birthright, our "Manifest Destiny." For a time, the Germans thought it was their destiny to rule the world and felt that it was in line with "nature" - the strong dominating the weak. But they weren't as strong as they thought they were.

Nationalism is simply pride in one's nation. people. and a self-centrist outlook on economy and politics. every nation has a sense of nationalism just in different levels.
also, it was obviously not in their nature. they failed.

the Truth is we are animals bound to the same law of nature as everything else. the First law of nature is the weak are ruled by the strong. you may dislike it. I may dislike it. but forcing pure equal outcome is communistic and the communists killed more than the Nazi's. and their own people indiscriminately.

 

[Stevicus]

"Just Human" yes Humans are stupid little beings but some of them are not that stupid. The puppeteers are smart enough to pit half the nation against the other.
maybe we should just only let those who pass a basic IQ test vote along with a test showing they know about what they are actually voting on. so we don't get pure party loyalists who vote like pawns just because they can.

Yeah, that's part of it. I think a lot of it also rests in many people having a split personality regarding "the system." Sometimes they love the system and sometimes they hate it. People complain endlessly about the government and the system, but nobody wants to change it because they think it's the "best system." That, along with the party loyalists and other partisan hacks who foul the stew.

I don't know if I'd use the analogy of a puppeteer, but I'll go with it for now. Many humans may be stupid, but they're also very complex organisms - and often unpredictable and even dangerous. That's what the "puppeteers" seem most concerned about, particularly if other would-be "puppeteers" try to muscle in on their action and take away the hearts and minds of their "puppets."

They couldn't really implement IQ tests as a qualification to vote, as tempting as it may sound. I don't believe it would past muster, Constitutionally speaking.

The other side of the problem is that half of those who are eligible to vote don't even bother. I don't know if it's that people are just lazy, or apathetic, or if they're just refusing to vote because they think the system is broken beyond repair. I'd like to think that if every eligible adult in America were compelled to come out and cast their votes, it would actually change something. But it probably wouldn't.

 

[Nous]

Just a question, why does the Left here try to turn issues of Class into issues of race?

Cite some actual examples.

 

[Father]

They couldn't really implement IQ tests as a qualification to vote, as tempting as it may sound. I don't believe it would past muster, Constitutionally speaking.

The other side of the problem is that half of those who are eligible to vote don't even bother. I don't know if it's that people are just lazy, or apathetic, or if they're just refusing to vote because they think the system is broken beyond repair. I'd like to think that if every eligible adult in America were compelled to come out and cast their votes, it would actually change something. But it probably wouldn't.

It is broken. Beyond repair? no. Burn it to the ground and that would be a great improvement.

 

[Nous]

I'm not sure that "the left" is comprised of people with great logically prowess...

I will match my "logical prowess" with yours any day.

 

[proudpagan]

First law of nature is the weak are ruled by the strong

Wtf "Survival of the fittest" is a phrase that originated from Darwinian evolutionary theory as a way of describing the mechanism of natural selection .
The followers of this theory suffer from psychosis