Istanbul airport explosions

[Jumi]

poor mother and father they supposed to be not in that place to begin with.

So you don't even know what an airport is like? There are all kinds of people with families. The terrorists knew these, they had used these airports and remembered there were many weak, unarmed people like this to murder. That's why they pick such a place.

 

[David1967]

They would have killed random people anywhere and you would believe they were right in murdering anyone for any made up reason. An airport was just for them to pick weak unarmed people to murder. They couldn't handle the Turkish soldiers or attack real government places.

You have described these cowards perfectly. They are an insult to peace loving Muslims everywhere. They are a cancer.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

Great. Now you go convince them.

Convince them of what?

And convince who?

 

[David1967]

You think someone whose mother or child you killed will understand your hypocritical logic? No. They and their kin will swear vengeance on you, and you happily accept to murder more Muslims because you don't care about Muslims. All you care is being hypocrite and murder.

Its called bloodlust. Pure and simple desire to take human life. I doubt that they (ISIS) even believe in God in the first place.

 

[Demonslayer]

I doubt that they (ISIS) even believe in God in the first place.

Are you kidding? They believe in God too much, is the problem.

It's like the Westboro Baptist lunatics. They take Leviticus literally, so they spend their lives attacking gay people because they think that's what God wants them to do. Islamic terrorists walk into a marketplace with an explosive jacket on because they believe God wants them to kill the infidel and that they will be rewarded in heaven for their actions.

People don't sacrifice their own lives in the name of God, if they don't really believe in God.

 

[LuisDantas]

Convince them of what?

And convince who?

Those people that you say with such certainty not to be Muslims.

They sure seem to disagree and to emphasize that disagreement.

 

[David1967]

Are you kidding? They believe in God too much, is the problem.

It's like the Westboro Baptist lunatics. They take Leviticus literally, so they spend their lives attacking gay people because they think that's what God wants them to do. Islamic terrorists walk into a marketplace with an explosive jacket on because they believe God wants them to kill the infidel and that they will be rewarded in heaven for their actions.

People don't sacrifice their own lives in the name of God, if they don't really believe in God.

Westboro Baptist are lunatics. No argument there, difference is ,theyre annoying but haven't killed anyone. Let me be more clear about my statement that "I doubt that they (ISIS )believe in God." They certainly don't believe in God as I define God, and according to the scripture that Godobeyer provided, not as Muslims do either. I mean, wwhat part of not killing innocents don't they understand?

 

[Demonslayer]

They certainly don't believe in God as I define God,

Right, I get this. But it's sort of the No True Scotsman idea right? This person doesn't REALLY believe in God because of your personal perception of God and what God may want or approve of. Literal believers in the Bible for example might say WE don't really believe in God if we don't accept God's statement that homosexuals should be put to death.

I mean, wwhat part of not killing innocents don't they understand?

The part that conflicts with "kill the infidels wherever you find them?"

 

[David1967]

Right, I get this. But it's sort of the No True Scotsman idea right? This person doesn't REALLY believe in God because of your personal perception of God and what God may want or approve of. Literal believers in the Bible for example might say WE don't really believe in God if we don't accept God's statement that homosexuals should be put to death.



The part that conflicts with "kill the infidels wherever you find them?"

Of course. It would depend totally on your view of God as either benevolent or malevolent. Kind and forgiving or terminally ticked off.

 

[Demonslayer]

Of course. It would depend totally on your view of God as either benevolent or malevolent. Kind and forgiving or terminally ticked off.

Yes right I agree. But that's why it's hard...as much as it may seem obvious to you or me...to say the violent religious folks are "just plain crazy." How can we say that when it's very easy to read the holy texts and find God commanding his followers to do violent things?

For example let's say a faithful Christian reads Leviticus 20:13 - "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death."

If this person then goes out and kills homosexuals...are they just plain crazy, or are they following the Word of God, and thus holy and just?

 

[David1967]

Yes right I agree. But that's why it's hard...as much as it may seem obvious to you or me...to say the violent religious folks are "just plain crazy." How can we say that when it's very easy to read the holy texts and find God commanding his followers to do violent things?

For example let's say a faithful Christian reads Leviticus 20:13 - "'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death."

If this person then goes out and kills homosexuals...are they just plain crazy, or are they following the Word of God, and thus holy and just?

I see your point. And it is a valid one. Fortunately most people have evolved past the point where they think God wants them to kill for His sake. Sadly the small number that do, have terrible determination to do so. With tragic results.

 

[Demonslayer]

Fortunately most people have evolved past the point where they think God wants them to kill for His sake.

That is fortunate

Sadly the small number that do, have terrible determination to do so. With tragic results.

And that is indeed sad and terrible.

The only solution I can see it stop teaching the dogma altogether. If you teach 1000 people the message of Leviticus 20:13 is God commands us to kill gay people, you're always going to have 10 of them who take it literally. Stop teaching Leviticus 20:13 and you'll have zero people who think God has commanded them to kill gay people.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

Those people that you say with such certainty not to be Muslims.

They sure seem to disagree and to emphasize that disagreement.

If I told you I was a rabbit yet common sense, science, biology and all the other factors which make a rabbit a rabbit, were against me, would I still be a rabbit? Or would you think I was disillusioned?

With that in mind, just because someone claims to be a Muslim or claims to carry out certain acts for the sake of Islam, does not make him a Muslims or a religion champion. It's as simple as that.

The evidence shows that most of these people, largely young men, are disillusioned men, marginalised by western society, lacking jobs in many cases, lacking family, finances or friendships in many other cases, who are brain washed by organisations which have been shown to be promoted and funded by western governments or intelligence agencies.

If you study the cases of many if not most of these so called religious extremists, you will find that they are not and never had been, religion in the first place. 2 terrorists from Britain, leaving to fight for ISIS in Syria, 6 weeks before they left, bought 2 books off Amazon: The Quran for Dummies and Islam for Dummies.

Anyway, I've spoken to you about this before and provided evidence from intelligence services who know these terrorists are not religious extremists but rather novices and you still don't like to believe it because of your own personal biases. So, I don't think there is any point in me explaining it to you any more.

 

[Aquitaine]

Prejudiced much or is it just honest ignorance?

No it's not the same Khilafah.

This is the problem with wanting to return to the "glorious old days" of a theocracy: when somone actually does just that it turns in to a No-True-Scotsman Caliphate.

Also, supporting the murder of political opponents and those who support them sounds rather ISIS-like, ironically.

 

[LuisDantas]

If I told you I was a rabbit yet common sense, science, biology and all the other factors which make a rabbit a rabbit, were against me, would I still be a rabbit? Or would you think I was disillusioned?

With that in mind, just because someone claims to be a Muslim or claims to carry out certain acts for the sake of Islam, does not make him a Muslims or a religion champion. It's as simple as that.

Except that adherence to Islam is largely self-proclaimed, while being a rabbit isn't.

The evidence shows that most of these people, largely young men, are disillusioned men, marginalised by western society, lacking jobs in many cases, lacking family, finances or friendships in many other cases, who are brain washed by organisations which have been shown to be promoted and funded by western governments or intelligence agencies.

Where may I find that evidence?

If you study the cases of many if not most of these so called religious extremists, you will find that they are not and never had been, religion in the first place. 2 terrorists from Britain, leaving to fight for ISIS in Syria, 6 weeks before they left, bought 2 books off Amazon: The Quran for Dummies and Islam for Dummies.

So?

Anyway, I've spoken to you about this before and provided evidence from intelligence services who know these terrorists are not religious extremists but rather novices and you still don't like to believe it because of your own personal biases. So, I don't think there is any point in me explaining it to you any more.

Quite frankly, I don't think you are seriously trying.

 

[LuisDantas]

This is the problem with wanting to return to the "glorious old days" of a theocracy: when somone actually does just that it turns in to a No-True-Scotsman Caliphate.

Also, supporting the murder of political opponents and those who support them sounds rather ISIS-like, ironically.

Ain't that true?

 

[Gharib]

This is the problem with wanting to return to the "glorious old days" of a theocracy: when somone actually does just that it turns in to a No-True-Scotsman Caliphate.

Oh have they, I wasn't aware. You don't know the first thing about Islam but thanks for trying. At least you've learned a couple of phrases in the proces. Keep up the good work.

Also, supporting the murder of political opponents and those who support them sounds rather ISIS-like, ironically.

What's rather ISIS like is secret spying on the masses, hate and ill treatment towards minorities, hate and ill treatment of refugees, etc etc

Regardless of where you're from, be it Europe, US or Asia, your country, your chosen people are a prime example of ISIS ideology.

 

[Gharib]

poor mother and father they supposed to be not in that place to begin with.

You are just pathetic. But do not worry, nothing will get past on the Day of Judgment. I will be looking forward to see how pleased Allah will be with you and your criminal ISIS.

Are you too someone who's committed every pathetic sin on this earth and have now 'turned to the right path' where everyone you don't like must be killed. Blame others for your failures.

Who are the Syrian people helping for ISIS to kill them?

 

[David1967]

You are just pathetic. But do not worry, nothing will get past on the Day of Judgment. I will be looking forward to see how pleased Allah will be with you and your criminal ISIS.

Are you too someone who's committed every pathetic sin on this earth and have now 'turned to the right path' where everyone you don't like must be killed. Blame others for your failures.

Who are the Syrian people helping for ISIS to kill them?

I wonder what they will answer when God asks
them why they murdered innocent people and used His name as an excuse to carry out such atrocities. I cannot comprehend how anyone with even a shred of humanity can do such a thing.

 

[Desert Snake]

I wonder what they will answer when God asks
them why they murdered innocent people and used His name as an excuse to carry out such atrocities. I cannot comprehend how anyone with even a shred of humanity can do such a thing.

Which god?