It’s official: Democrat Conor Lamb wins Pennsylvania special election in major upset

[metis]

they have the same boss - banking - military industrial - pharma complex, they are disuniting nations in stupid arguments ...this administration is reverse side of previous. 50% of people hated Obama and the other 50 liked him, now it has reversed, it is so obvious what they are doing.

The Dems have tried over and over again, but without success, to get BIG $ out of campaign donations.

Secondly, while Obama's approval rating gradually went up over the years, Trump's has been going down. Even Obamacare has an approval rating around 60% now.

Either way, the "feel" of what Trump has been doing, which is nothing short of a train-wreck with scandal after scandal, contrasts sharply with the Obama administration that did not have even one indictment over eight years.

They simply are not even close o being the same, whether it be in appearance or in function or in basic morality.

 

[socharlie]

The Dems have tried over and over again, but without success, to get BIG $ out of campaign donations.

Secondly, while Obama's approval rating gradually went up over the years, Trump's has been going down. Even Obamacare has an approval rating around 60% now.

Either way, the "feel" of what Trump has been doing, which is nothing short of a train-wreck with scandal after scandal, contrasts sharply with the Obama administration that did not have even one indictment over eight years.

They simply are not even close o being the same, whether it be in appearance or in function or in basic morality.

I'm just among those who observe lemmings in action, taking no sides...

 

[metis]

I'm just among those who observe lemmings in action, taking no sides...

Ya, but conflating the two types of "lemmings" isn't the way to go about it. They share some of the characteristics but certainly not all of them.

 

[socharlie]

Ya, but conflating the two types of "lemmings" isn't the way to go about it. They share some of the characteristics but certainly not all of them.

The Boss always kept the lemmings divided so they do not look for the truth but be slaves.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Both parties have the same donors, and that is who they work for.

I'll agree with that.

 

[Falvlun]

I heard they were going to redistrict so the election itself didn't matter much. Though I suppose bragging rights. Who know what is going to influence the herd in the next elections. Something as small as what would normally be an inconsequential election.

The Republicans took this election seriously.

Outside groups spent around $10 million to help Saccone, while only about $3 million was spent for Lamb.

The President of the United States himself went to a rally in Pennsylvania to stump for Saccone.

Trump also announced conveniently timed steel tariffs right before an election in steel country.

We are talking about a district that went Trump by 20%. It was rated by the Cook Partisan Voter Index as R+11 (which means that in past elections it went Republican 11 points above the national average.)

This is all a very good sign for Democrats, no matter how Republicans try to downplay their previous apparent interest.

 

[tytlyf]

The Republicans took this election seriously.

Outside groups spent around $10 million to help Saccone, while only about $3 million was spent for Lamb.

The President of the United States himself went to a rally in Pennsylvania to stump for Saccone.

Trump also announced conveniently timed steel tariffs right before an election in steel country.

We are talking about a district that went Trump by 20%. It was rated by the Cook Partisan Voter Index as R+11 (which means that in past elections it went Republican 11 points above the national average.)

This is all a very good sign for Democrats, no matter how Republicans try to downplay their previous apparent interest.

Steel country is union country. Unions don't support republicans because republicans hate unions. Corporate policy dictates that the worker shouldn't have workers rights.
The middle class workers understand the republican party is against them.

 

[Revoltingest]

I wouldn't read too much into Lamb's victory as portending losses for Republicans.
Looking at his record (pro-gun, personally anti-abortion), he sounds more Pub than Dem.

 

[Falvlun]

I wouldn't read too much into Lamb's victory as portending losses for Republicans.
Looking at his record (pro-gun, personally anti-abortion), he sounds more Pub than Dem.

It’s amazing how Republicans were branding him a “pelosi Democrat” prior to the election and then after he wins, he was really their boy all along. 1984, sheeple! We were always at war with Eurasia.

Kidding aside, Lamb demonstrates the blueprint for Dems going forward. Endorse moderate Dems where they’re needed. We can bend on gun control, and we’ve never been against anyone personally being against abortion. We are the big tent.

 

[Falvlun]

Steel country is union country. Unions don't support republicans because republicans hate unions. Corporate policy dictates that the worker shouldn't have workers rights.
The middle class workers understand the republican party is against them.

I don’t think they do. We have a lot of better messaging— and actual policy— to do to convince people that Dems are better for their jobs, wages, and economy. We’ve conceded the economy to Republicans. We need to take it back.

 

[Revoltingest]

It’s amazing how Republicans were branding him a “pelosi Democrat” prior to the election and then after he wins, he was really their boy all along. 1984, sheeple! We were always at war with Eurasia.

Kidding aside, Lamb demonstrates the blueprint for Dems going forward. Endorse moderate Dems where they’re needed. We can bend on gun control, and we’ve never been against anyone personally being against abortion. We are the big tent.

Aye, both parties must ultimately find that 1% in the middle in order to survive.

 

[Falvlun]

Aye, both parties must ultimately find that 1% in the middle in order to survive.

In this case it swung an electorate that generally went +11 points to Republicans to the Democrats.

 

[Revoltingest]

In this case it swung an electorate that generally went +11 points to Republicans to the Democrats.

A temporary advantage.
Losers tend to learn from loss.
And winners tend to become complacent.

 

[Underhill]

Well the Democrat was a Marine, he ran on the 2nd Amendment, tariffs were OK, tax plan was good for the economy. Sounds like a Republican running as a Democrat, and I do believe that the Republican supported the "right to work" and this is a heavy union district.

Sure but this is almost always the case in rural districts. In this part of Western NY Democrats are to the right of Republicans running in California. They still get stomped in virtually every election.

 

[esmith]

It’s amazing how Republicans were branding him a “pelosi Democrat” prior to the election and then after he wins, he was really their boy all along. 1984, sheeple! We were always at war with Eurasia.

Kidding aside, Lamb demonstrates the blueprint for Dems going forward. Endorse moderate Dems where they’re needed. We can bend on gun control, and we’ve never been against anyone personally being against abortion. We are the big tent.

The problem is that the Democrats have been moving farther and farther to the "left". It seems that each one want's to be more left than the other. Until the Democrat's figure out what they want to be, they are not going to be a contender in the National race and possibly local races. Yes, they could find candidates with the same principles as Mr Lamb and win; especially if their opponent try's to paint them as something they are not, but do they have any, especially in the National elections. Mr Lamb was not a Pelosi Democrat as the Republicans tried to make him out to be. In other words Mr Lamb was the smarter candidate.

 

[tytlyf]

I wouldn't read too much into Lamb's victory as portending losses for Republicans.
Looking at his record (pro-gun, personally anti-abortion), he sounds more Pub than Dem.

Wrong, he sounds more like a moderate democrat than a progressive. There are more moderate democrats in the party.

Pro-gun? Who told you democrats aren't pro-gun (many own guns)
Anti-abortion? Lamb is running to make abortion illegal and charge people for murder if they have one?

There's nothing republican about his stance.

 

[Falvlun]

The problem is that the Democrats have been moving farther and farther to the "left". It seems that each one want's to be more left than the other. Until the Democrat's figure out what they want to be, they are not going to be a contender in the National race and possibly local races. Yes, they could find candidates with the same principles as Mr Lamb and win; especially if their opponent try's to paint them as something they are not, but do they have any, especially in the National elections. Mr Lamb was not a Pelosi Democrat as the Republicans tried to make him out to be. In other words Mr Lamb was the smarter candidate.

The Republicans have been free falling to the Right and dragging the supposed liberals with them. I welcome a brake check to pull this country back to the center (our Democrats would be considered conservatives in most other countries.)

It’s precisely these small local, and state, races that Democrats need to focus— and compromise— on.

 

[Falvlun]

A temporary advantage.
Losers tend to learn from loss.
And winners tend to become complacent.

I’ll take it! Democrats have been losers for so long that they better have a stockpile of learnin’.

 

[esmith]

I’ll take it! Democrats have been losers for so long that they better have a stockpile of learnin’.

The only problem is that neither side "learn".

 

[Underhill]

Steel country is union country. Unions don't support republicans because republicans hate unions. Corporate policy dictates that the worker shouldn't have workers rights.
The middle class workers understand the republican party is against them.

Yep. The 12 union people left in the state would vote democrat.

The problem is that the Democrats have been moving farther and farther to the "left". It seems that each one want's to be more left than the other. Until the Democrat's figure out what they want to be, they are not going to be a contender in the National race and possibly local races. Yes, they could find candidates with the same principles as Mr Lamb and win; especially if their opponent try's to paint them as something they are not, but do they have any, especially in the National elections. Mr Lamb was not a Pelosi Democrat as the Republicans tried to make him out to be. In other words Mr Lamb was the smarter candidate.

You have got to be kidding me. Obama was more conservative than Nixon or the 5 republicans before him. It's only been in the last 40 years that republicans have moved as for to the right as they currently are.