It doesnt make sense

[jonmarkgo]

I just dont understand how it is even possible for people to believe in any religion. religions were originally started to explain simple things like the sun rising and setting but now that we know so much, what is the point of them? It seems like they are holding back our species because religious freaks get so upset about science for on reason. I would like someone to give me one real, plausible reason why people still have religions and how they can believe in them.

 

[Bishka]

Because they are true to us. I believe that my Church is the only Church on the face of the earth that has the complete, full, everlasting gospel(not saying others don't have truths, but that's what I believe). I've been raised to want to return to my Heavenly Father(God) and I want to, so I follow those commandments, because I feel what I call the holy Ghost/Spirit and I feel it's the right thing to do.

That's pretty much all I can tell you.

 

[jonmarkgo]

that doesnt really answer me. I mean, why even have a religion at all. Simply from an overview of human history and religions, it doesnt really make sense.

 

[Abram]

The Bible is a great one for me. It was written by over 40 people that have never met each other over period of 1500 years. Plus they were from different lines of work and in different areas of the world, yet when put all together it makes one story that fits together perfect. Then it predicts the rise and death of a man and was written in such perfect detail that it would be imposible to be make up.

 

[Bishka]

that doesnt really answer me. I mean, why even have a religion at all. Simply from an overview of human history and religions, it doesnt really make sense.

What doesn't make sense to you? Sorry, I must be missing something, could you explain with a little more detail, thanks.

 

[jonmarkgo]

The Bible is a great one for me. It was written by over 40 people that have never met each other over period of 1500 years. Plus they were from different lines of work and in different areas of the world, yet when put all together it makes one story that fits together perfect. Then it predicts the rise and death of a man and was written in such perfect detail that it would be imposible to be make up.

HAve you ever read a book called "misquoting Jesus"? Its a book this guy wrote about how he discovered that when the bible was written down, the scribes changed or added most of it. The guy was a bible scholar, he knew almost everything there is to know about christianity, but because of what he discovered, he became an atheist. maybe you should read it.

What doesn't make sense to you? Sorry, I must be missing something, could you explain with a little more detail, thanks.

Im not asking why specific people ppractice specific religions. im asking why humans contine to practice religions when there really isnt a need to anymore.

 

[Abram]

HAve you ever read a book called "misquoting Jesus"? Its a book this guy wrote about how he discovered that when the bible was written down, the scribes changed or added most of it. The guy was a bible scholar, he knew almost everything there is to know about christianity, but because of what he discovered, he became an atheist. maybe you should read it.

I read one book a few years ago about it. The Bible is one of the most documented history books out there. If it wasnt about religion it would be considered very true, but there are so many people that want to prove it wrong doubt was formed. Enough proof for me to believe.

Im not asking why specific people ppractice specific religions. im asking why humans contine to practice religions when there really isnt a need to anymore.

Because it gives me reason for life and hope for a after life. It teaches me to love, Before I found Christ I was quite a dirt bag. I can look back at my life and tell you I am a better person now and so much happier. Why would I not want to be a better person. If I'm wrong who cares, we die. But if your wrong guess what? So the odds are in my favor, not yours.

 

[jonmarkgo]

look, religious people have always been wrong. The most religious people have been extremely evil. Religion has ruined more people's lives than it has helped. Even today people are treated badly because of prejudices against them because of religion. Religion doesnt make you a better person. believing there is a god doesnt make you not a dirtbag. You could have become a better person without religion. IF I am wrong, according to christianity, everyone was saved anyway so it doesnt matter. Religion simply takes up a lot of time and ruins peoples lives. It holds back our species and cause a lot of problem. I have yet for someone to give me a reason for why there is a need for religion still.

 

[dawny0826]

I just dont understand how it is even possible for people to believe in any religion. religions were originally started to explain simple things like the sun rising and setting but now that we know so much, what is the point of them? It seems like they are holding back our species because religious freaks get so upset about science for on reason. I would like someone to give me one real, plausible reason why people still have religions and how they can believe in them.

It all points to one concept...faith. Walking by faith...not by sight. Abandoning yourself to something that elevates you spiritually...fills you on a spiritual level.

In my walk...in my faith...it's not really about me so much...it's all about Christ.

This may or may not seem plausible to you and probably doesn't answer your question but this is what religion is to me.

 

[linwood]

Im not asking why specific people ppractice specific religions. im asking why humans contine to practice religions when there really isnt a need to anymore.

You`ll never get a satisfactory answer to this question Jon.

 

[jonmarkgo]

Actually, dawny makes a good point from a neurological perspective. Maybe there is something in people's brains that makes them believe in something. A need to be led. But wouldnt this conflict with the logical aspects of peoples brains?

 

[jonmarkgo]

maybe it comes from a need to take pressure off of yourself. To lean on something emotionally. But if you think about, doesnt religion create more pressures than it eleviates?

 

[dawny0826]

Actually, dawny makes a good point from a neurological perspective. Maybe there is something in people's brains that makes them believe in something. A need to be led. But wouldnt this conflict with the logical aspects of peoples brains?

Faith isn't logical. There's nothing logical about faith...about God...about grasping concepts that cannot be seen and are normally not tangible.

It's spritual. And sprituality isn't something that you can examine...it isn't something that you can seize and analyze from a scientific standpoint.

It's to be felt...it's to be lived.

 

[Bishka]

BTW, Jon, you seem like you are baiting us, like you want us to get into a debate.

All I have to tell you is that I know that Jesus Christ lived, I know the I have a Father in Heaven. You can tell me I'm wrong, that I'm evil, that my religion is evil, but sorry, I don't believe it.

I'm not going to try to prov to you that religions are good, right and believable, because from your posts, you do not want to know that.

I believe in God the Eternal Father, and in His Son Jesus Christ and in the Holy Ghost.

I believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression


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[Bishka]

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Faith isn't logical. There's nothing logical about faith...about God...about grasping concepts that cannot be seen and are normally not tangible.

It's spritual. And sprituality isn't something that you can examine...it isn't something that you can seize and analyze from a scientific standpoint.

It's to be felt...it's to be lived.

Great post dawny, better then mine. I frubaled you for it. That's just it Jon, Faith isn't logical.

 

[jonmarkgo]

Faith isn't logical.

Well, that my point. What I'm saying is that maybe there is a neurological need to believe in something higher than yourself. Maybe thats why religion originally started but it kept getting more and more complex until it is the way it is today. I think religion started and continues because of something neuological.

 

[Bishka]

Well, that my point. What I'm saying is that maybe there is a neurological need to believe in something higher than yourself. Maybe thats why religion originally started but it kept getting more and more complex until it is the way it is today. I think religion started and continues because of something neuological.

Well there you go, you got your answer. That's what you believe and I'm glad you have a belief. We all do. A belief in something or another, whether it be nothing at all, a belief in ourselves, or in a higher power of some sort. We all have a belief.

 

[jonmarkgo]

Well, yeah, i guess i answerdd my own question

 

[Bishka]

whoa, i think your taking my statements out of context. I wasnt saying that religion is evil. I was just saying that many evil people have used religion as their motives and so i think it has caused more problems than it has solved.

You are a Buddhist, so you have a belief, where does yours come from, what do you believe in?

 

[dawny0826]

Well, that my point. What I'm saying is that maybe there is a neurological need to believe in something higher than yourself. Maybe thats why religion originally started but it kept getting more and more complex until it is the way it is today. I think religion started and continues because of something neuological.

Somehow, I doubt there are neurons in my soul, Jon. My soul cannot be analyzed under a microscope. If you reject the concept of religion and faith...you won't understand. It's not a concept to grasp with your mind as much as it is a concept to grasp on a spiritual level.