As I pointed out, it is because of the absurdity of your propositions.
As far as "never", let's use a more realistic proposition. A woman has a fallopian tube pregnancy with where both baby and mother will loose their lives. Removing the child would become necessary.
Absurd arises when we have a logical contradiction. I am not aware of being guilty of that, unless you point men where I have been,
Of course, it is possible to answer. There is no barrier against being able to answer to counterfactual questions. For instance, if you ask me: would you kill Hitler when he was 3, if you your could travel back in time? then I would give you an answer. I would not conveniently hide behind the counterfactual state of affair that we cannot travel back in time.
And prenatal screening is vastly more possible than travel in time. The fact that we do not screen that early, does not entail that we will not be able to do that in the future. After all, genetic issues are necessarily present from the start.
So, what would be your answer if that was possible after one week of gestation?
And if you insist to not answer, let me ask you: even if we can only screen for those horrible diseases after 12 weeks, would you still insist in letting the pregnancy to finish, and the child to die after a few months of suffering?
Why do you think it would be an "ordeal"? Why do you use the word "force"? Or do you support the manipulation of emotions to "manipulate" a person into an abortion! In essence "forcing" them by manipulation as it has been shown so many times?
Ever thought of lovingly support your family member through a horrible ordeal and providing a home for the new person about to be born as so many people have already shown as feasible and possible and produced people of impact and influence.
I don't know what you mean. I am pro choice. She can do whatever she wants. But you are pro life, and probably would support a law that bans abortion. Then she will be forced to carry the pregnancy, or else go to prison on account of murder. Or sit on an electrical chair, after delivery of course, like you do over there.
Why I would think it would be an ordeal? Are you a woman? I am, so I can tell you with a lot of confidence that carrying a pregnancy is not easy business at all. You have no idea of the physical, psychological stress involved. Someone said here that if men became pregnant, there would be more abortion clinics than Starbucks. I could not agree more. You have no idea what it means to carry a child.
Ever thought of lovingly support your family member through a horrible ordeal and providing a home for the new person about to be born as so many people have already shown as feasible and possible and produced people of impact and influence.
Aww. the loving family! What about if you have no loving family? Or it is poor, and cannot help you sustaining you when your employee fired you for carrying the pregnancy of your rapist's foetus?
You are white middle class, right? Are you aware that there are people who are not in your favourable social position?
What if you are 13, or younger, like that 9 year old child who aborted the embryo of her rapist? Would you also condemn that, like the Catholic Church, which excommunicated the doctors performing the abortion?
And if you do, like the Catholics did, what prevents us from claiming that Christianity is just pure evil, a wolf wearing sheep clothes, and should be therefore ruthlessly eradicated from the face of the earth?
So, we have a 9 year old child carrying a pregnancy on account of rape. Would you allow aborting that, or not? Simple real case.
You need to widen your circle and also read the scriptures. My friend Candi was born without an eardrum, ear or earhole as per X-rays. On an evening where an evangelist prayed for her had a new eardrum as confirmed by the doctors.
Perhaps not as much as He would like because people come to God like you demonstrate? How many people get a gold medal by saying "It will never happen" like you are sharing?
When we were in Lakeland, my friend and I prayed for a young man whose leg was shorter than the other. As we prayed we felt muscles undulate and watched the leg grow until it was the same size as the other. You may not believe it but the young man and ourselves believe it.
Without an eardrum? LOL. that is also quite hidden, isn't it?
And your friend has been lucky with that shorter leg thing. I have a friend who had a similar problem, prayed to have legs of the same length, just to get the longer leg get as short as the other. Now he looks like a midget. Real story, believe me.
You have to be precise with God. He cannot read your mind. If He could, you would not need to pray, would you?
Fact is: we have no record of macroscopic miracles. Like growing a new leg. A new arm. Or undo Down Syndrome, or similar genetic issues.
Why is that? Does God hate people with Down syndrome, Siamese twins and amputees?
Is this a strawman? Are you trying to move the goal post? Do you have a real desire to know or are you simply providing all the excuses that are so often shared by those who don't want to believe.
You remind me of the parable by Jesus:
16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:
17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
The good food is for everyone but not everyone is thirsty or hungry enough to come.
Oh dear, you are using Jesus to make a point for Christianity. Great. I am sure my Muslim friend is also able to quote Mohammed to make a point about Islam.
So, unless you are into circular reasoning, I see no rational point in using the tenets of your religion to defend your particular version of God. Especially to a rational skeptic that considers claims about the God of the Bible as credible as claims about Pinocchio.
Fact is: Jesus competitors, for instance Allah and Shiva, have also an amazing record of miracles, answers to prayers and all. My Indian friend stops 5 times on the way to the office to pray to some divinity altars placed on the highway, every day, and he tells me it works. Every time. Whatever he asks, it is answered. It is quite annoying actually when I am on business trip in India, since we always get late at meeting because if that. So, I asked him to pray one of the divinities on the way to get punctual at meetings, and I have to admit that it works, lol.
Now, I have two alternatives. Either I rationally conclude that you are all equally deluded about this miracle thing, or you show me some evidence that Jesus miracles are true, while Allah/Shiva are not. Not to speak of all supernatural events that basically belong to the thousands of religious beliefs in the history of humanity.
Your call
Ciao
- viole
