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It is NOT Polytheistic

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Hinduism is NOT Polytheistic.
Time and time again people will oppose Hinduism saying that it's polytheistic.

There are different types of Hindus. Some are monotheistic dualists, some are panentheists and many are monistic. I am not even sure than any Hindus are polytheistic.

So who told you this? Why do you think this?

Get it right, we are not Polytheists.
 

blackout

Violet.
But simplistic, superficial assumptions
and sweeping generalizations
are SO much easier!

Don't you think?

:p
 

Erebus

Well-Known Member
Hinduism is NOT Polytheistic.
Time and time again people will oppose Hinduism saying that it's polytheistic.

There are different types of Hindus. Some are monotheistic dualists, some are panentheists and many are monistic. I am not even sure than any Hindus are polytheistic.

So who told you this? Why do you think this?

Get it right, we are not Polytheists.

A lot of people get confused if a religion doesn't specifically deal with a certain super-daddy in the sky. ;)
 

Diederick

Active Member
Why would a polytheist religion be any less relevant than a monotheistic one? I don't see the difference between arguing there is one God and arguing there are several Gods. They're equally unprovable and equally probable.

I guess it's just that Monotheism is more popular, since the mainstream stuff is all monotheistic, but I really don't see how that would be better. Personally I think having multiple Gods makes a religion far more interesting, and less confusing since a single God has to be the explanation for both good and evil. In polytheism you can blame a naughty God.
 

Orbital

Member
They're equally unprovable and equally probable.
Possible, not probable.

I have not read much into Hinduism, but I am guessing that this would be somewhat on the same level as called Christianity a polytheistic religion because of the trinity.

Because Hindusm is so old people might put it into the polytheistic category, i do not really know but to me it does not make much difference.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Why would a polytheist religion be any less relevant than a monotheistic one? I don't see the difference between arguing there is one God and arguing there are several Gods. They're equally unprovable and equally probable.

I guess it's just that Monotheism is more popular, since the mainstream stuff is all monotheistic, but I really don't see how that would be better. Personally I think having multiple Gods makes a religion far more interesting, and less confusing since a single God has to be the explanation for both good and evil. In polytheism you can blame a naughty God.

Just to be clear, I don't have a problem with polytheism. I do have a problem with certain religious people confronting me, even subtly threatening me, because they think I am polytheistic. In fact, what's most annoying is that people think this when it isn't true.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Possible, not probable.

I have not read much into Hinduism, but I am guessing that this would be somewhat on the same level as called Christianity a polytheistic religion because of the trinity.

That is a good comparison actually.
 

blackout

Violet.
It's simple.

If you're going to discuss a religion/belief system
in any capacity...
you might as well UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS you're actually discussing, no?

The point here has nothing to do with "relevance".
(or "proving" this or that. :rolleyes: )
It has to do with WHAT A THING IS (or isn't). simple.

... and as Madhuri has told us
Hinduism is NOT Polytheistic.

This is a Religious Education forum.
Is it not?

*sighs*
 

jmvizanko

Uber Tool
God in Hinduism

I hardly know anything about Hinduism, but this Wikipedia article says it can be anywhere from mono to polytheist, depending on the specific traditions.

Of course, Diederick hit it right on the head. Why does it matter? Sure Occam's razor might make one god more likely, and no gods even likelier, but having more than one god does help explain the contradictions you get with one god. And I consider Christianity at least slightly polytheistic because of the trinity.

But it doesn't matter. Unless you are highly intolerant of other faiths or are a terrorist, you shouldn't have to take any crap for what you believe.
 
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Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
God in Hinduism

I hardly know anything about Hinduism, but this Wikipedia article says it can be anywhere from mono to polytheist, depending on the specific traditions.

I know Wikipedia says that, and I always figured some minority of people, maybe some remote villagers, may be polytheistic, but the majority are not and the main scriptures do not support a polytheistic view at all.

Hinduism has it's own explanation for good and evil, and to be specific, there is no real concept of Evil. What we, in our culture, think of as 'good' and 'evil' are replaced in Vedic philosophy with knowledge vs ignorance. This can get very detailed, so I will leave this topic for another thread.
 

blackout

Violet.
God in Hinduism

I hardly know anything about Hinduism, but this Wikipedia article says it can be anywhere from mono to polytheist, depending on the specific traditions.

Of course, Diederick hit it right on the head. Why does it matter? Sure Occam's razor might make one god more likely, and no gods even likelier, but having more than one god does help explain the contradictions you get with one god. And I consider Christianity at least slightly polytheistic because of the trinity.

But it doesn't matter. Unless you are highly intolerant of other faiths or are a terrorist, you shouldn't have to take any crap for what you believe.

It does matter to people who carefully choose/construct their "religions"
with great purpose and distinction (of concept).

Whatever else you say about me,
I really don't care,
but AT LEAST have the curtousy
to not mis-represent me.

Your VERSION of MY Construct
is NOT My Construct at all.
(it is "your version of my construct")

People come on this forum
oh so quick to criticize and generalize,
and it REALLY does get on my nerves.
And others as well.
At least have the integrity to make a REAL effort to understand WHAT
you are criticizing before you criticize it.

People just lump theists together
with no thought or consideration
of why this might be both lazy and innacurate.

They have a bone to pick with Theism in general...
never imagining that Theism cannot be generalized.
 

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
Why do you think this?
While I don't think this it seems that it can be easy to mistake Hinduism as Polytheistic because of all the different aspects of god and how they come of as Individuals.
Along with interacting with each other.
 

jmvizanko

Uber Tool
It does matter to people who carefully choose/construct their "religions"
with great purpose and distinction (of concept).

Whatever else you say about me,
I really don't care,
but AT LEAST have the curtousy
to not mis-represent me.

Your VERSION of MY Construct
is NOT My Construct at all.
(it is "your version of my construct")

People come on this forum
oh so quick to criticize and generalize,
and it REALLY does get on my nerves.
And others as well.
At least have the integrity to make a REAL effort to understand WHAT
you are criticizing before you criticize it.

People just lump theists together
with no thought or consideration
of why this might be both lazy and innacurate.

They have a bone to pick with Theism in general...
never imagining that Theism cannot be generalized.

I don't think I was doing any of that. Unless you are not just responding to me.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't think I was doing any of that. Unless you are not just responding to me.

She wasn't aiming that at anyone specific, just expressing the feelings of people who have to deal with others making false judgements. I suppose we all experience it in some respect :)
 

blackout

Violet.
I don't think I was doing any of that. Unless you are not just responding to me.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

Your post inadvertently became the catlyst for my rant.

:D

(there's been alot of this kind of thing on the forums lately)
 
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arun

Member
Vivekananda is my Hero.All the questions regarding Hinduism have been answered in his books.

These are some excerpts from chapters 'Paper on Hinduism' and 'What we believe in' ,Complete Works Of Swami Vivekananda.

Polytheism:

At the very outset, I may tell you that there is no polytheism in India. In every temple, if one stands by and listens, one will find the worshipers applying all the attributes of God, including omnipresence, to the images. It is not polytheism, nor would the name henotheism explain the situation.

‘The rose, called by any other name, would smell as sweet.’ Names are not explanations.
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We reject none, neither theist, nor pantheist, monist, polytheist, agnostic, nor atheist; the only condition of being a disciple is modelling a character at once the broadest and the most intense. Nor do we insist upon particular codes of morality as to conduct, or character, or eating and drinking, except so far as it injures others.

Whatever retards the onward progress or helps the downward fall is vice; whatever helps in coming up and becoming harmonised is virtue.

We leave everybody free to know, select, and follow whatever suits and helps him. Thus, for example, eating meat may help one, eating fruit another. Each is welcome to his own peculiarity, but he has no right to criticise the conduct of others, because that would, if followed by him, injure him, much less to insist that others should follow his way. A wife may help some people in this progress, to others she may be a positive injury. But the unmarried man has no right to say that the married disciple is wrong, much less to force his own ideal of morality upon his brother.

We believe that every being is divine, is God. Every soul is a sun covered over with clouds of ignorance, the difference between soul and soul is owing to the difference in density of these layers of clouds. We believe that this is the conscious or unconscious basis of all religions, and that this is the explanation of the whole history of human progress either in the material, intellectual, or spiritual plane — the same Spirit is manifesting through different planes.

We believe that this is the very essence of the Vedas.

We believe that it is the duty of every soul to treat, think of, and behave to other souls as such, i.e. as Gods, and not hate or despise, or vilify, or try to injure them by any manner or means. This is the duty not only of the Sannyasin, but of all men and women.

The soul has neither sex, nor caste, nor imperfection .We believe that nowhere throughout the Vedas, Darshanas, or Purânas, or Tantras, is it ever said that the soul has any sex, creed, or caste.

Idol Worship:

I remember, as a boy, hearing a Christian missionary preach to a crowd in India. Among other sweet things he was telling them was that if he gave a blow to their idol with his stick, what could it do? One of his hearers sharply answered, "If I abuse your God, what can He do?" “You would be punished,” said the preacher, "when you die."
"So my idol will punish you when you die," retorted the Hindu.

The tree is known by its fruits. When I have seen amongst them that are called idolaters, men, the like of whom in morality and spirituality and love I have never seen anywhere, I stop and ask myself, "Can sin beget holiness?"

Superstition is a great enemy of man, but bigotry is worse. Why does a Christian go to church? Why is the cross holy? Why is the face turned toward the sky in prayer? Why are there so many images in the Catholic Church? Why are there so many images in the minds of Protestants when they pray? My brethren, we can no more think about anything without a mental image than we can live without breathing. By the law of association, the material image calls up the mental idea and vice versa. This is why the Hindu uses an external symbol when he worships. He will tell you, it helps to keep his mind fixed on the Being to whom he prays. He knows as well as you do that the image is not God, is not omnipresent. After all, how much does omnipresence mean to almost the whole world? It stands merely as a word, a symbol. Has God superficial area? If not, when we repeat that word "omnipresent", we think of the extended sky or of space, that is all.

As we find that somehow or other, by the laws of our mental constitution, we have to associate our ideas of infinity with the image of the blue sky, or of the sea, so we naturally connect our idea of holiness with the image of a church, a mosque, or a cross. The Hindus have associated the idea of holiness, purity, truth, omnipresence, and such other ideas with different images and forms. But with this difference that while some people devote their whole lives to their idol of a church and never rise higher, because with them religion means an intellectual assent to certain doctrines and doing good to their fellows, the whole religion of the Hindu is centred in realisation. Man is to become divine by realising the divine. Idols or temples or churches or books are only the supports, the helps, of his spiritual childhood: but on and on he must progress.

He must not stop anywhere. "External worship, material worship," say the scriptures, "is the lowest stage;struggling to rise high, mental prayer is the next stage, but the highest stage is when the Lord has been realised." Mark, the same earnest man who is kneeling before the idol tells you, "Him the Sun cannot express, nor the moon,
nor the stars, the lightning cannot express Him, nor what we speak of as fire; through Him they shine." But he does not abuse any one's idol or call its worship sin. He recognises in it a necessary stage of life. "The child is father of the man." Would it be right for an old man to say that childhood is a sin or youth a sin?

If a man can realise his divine nature with the help of an image, would it be right to call that a sin? Nor even when he has passed that stage, should he call it an error. To the Hindu, man is not travelling from error to truth, but from truth to truth, from lower to higher truth. To him all the religions, from the lowest fetishism to the highest absolutism, mean so many attempts of the human soul to grasp and realise the Infinite, each determined by the conditions of its birth and association, and each of these marks a stage of progress; and every soul is a young eagle soaring higher and higher, gathering more and more strength, till it reaches the Glorious Sun.
 

arun

Member
Vivekananda on Hinduism and Other Religions:

It is the same light coming through glasses of different colors- And these little variations are necessary for purposes of adaptation. But in the heart of everything the same truth reigns. The Lord has declared to the Hindu in His incarnation as Krishna: ‘I am in every religion as the thread through a string of pearls. Wherever thou seest extraordinary holiness and extraordinary power raising and purifying humanity, know thou that I am there. ‘ And what has been the result? I challenge the world to find, throughout the whole system of Sanskrit philosophy, any such expression as that the Hindu alone will be saved and not others. Says Vyasa, ‘we find perfect men even beyond the pale of our caste and creed.’ One thing more. How, then, can the Hindu, whose whole fabric of thought centers in God, believe in Buddhism which is agnostic, or in Jainism which is atheistic?

The Buddhists or the Jains do not depend upon God; but the whole force of their religion is directed to the great central truth in every religion, to evolve a God out of man. They have not seen the Father, but they have seen the Son. And he that hath seen the Son bath seen the Father also.

This, brethren, is a short sketch of the religious ideas of the Hindus. The Hindu may have failed to carry out all his plans, but if there is ever to be a universal religion, it must be one which will have no location in place or time; which will be infinite like the God it will preach, and whose sun will shine upon the followers of Krishna and of Christ, on saints and sinners alike; which will not be Brahminic or Buddhistic, Christian or Mohammedan, but the sum total of all these. and still have infinite space for development; which in its catholicity will embrace in infinite arms, and find a place for, every human being from the lowest grovelling savage, not far removed from the brute, to the highest man towering by the virtues of his head and heart almost above humanity, making society stand in awe of him and doubt his human nature. It will be a religion which will have no place for persecution or intolerance in its polity, which will recognize divinity in every man and woman, and whose whole scope, whose whole force, will be centered in aiding humanity to realize its own true, divine nature.

Offer such a religion and all the nations will follow you. Asoka’s council was a council of the Buddhist faith. Akbar’s though more to the purpose ,was only a parlor meeting. It was reserved for America to proclaim to all quarters of the globe that the Lord is in every religion.

May He who is the Brahman of the Hindus, the Ahura-Mazda of the Zoroastrians, the Buddha of the Buddhists, the Jehovah of the Jews, the Father in Heaven of the Christians, give strength to you to carry out your noble idea! The star arose in the East; it traveled steadily towards the West, sometimes dimmed and sometimes effulgent, till it made a circuit of the world, and now it is again rising on the very horizon of the East, the borders of the Sanpo(1), a thousand fold more effulgent than it ever was before.

Hail Columbia, motherland of liberty! It has been given to thee, who never dipped her hand in her neighbor’s blood, who never found out that the shortest way of becoming rich was by robbing one’s neighbors, it has been given to thee to march at the vanguard of civilization with the flag of harmony.

- Vivekananda at World Parliament of Religion: PAPER ON HINDUISM
Chicago, 19th September 1893


(1) A Tibetan name for the Brahmaputra River
 

arun

Member
Swami Vivekananda on Reincarnation:

Are not all the tendencies of the mind and the body accounted for by inherited aptitude? Here are two parallel lines of existence - one of the mind, the other of matter. If matter and its transformations answer for all that we have, there is no necessity for supposing the existence of a soul. But it cannot be proved that thought has been evolved out of matter; and if a philosophical monism is inevitable, spiritual monism is certainly logical and no less desirable than a materialistic monism; but neither of these is necessary here.

We cannot deny that bodies acquire certain tendencies from heredity, but those tendencies only mean the physical configuration through which a peculiar mind alone can act in a peculiar way. There are other tendencies peculiar to a soul caused by his past actions. And a soul with a certain tendency would, by the laws of affinity, take birth in a body which is the fittest instrument for the display of that tendency. This is in accord with science, for science wants to explain everything by habit, and habit is got through repetitions. So repetitions are necessary to explain the natural habits of a new born soul. And since they were not obtained in this present life, they must have come down from past lives.

There is another suggestion. Taking all these for granted, how is it that I do not remember anything of my past life? This can be easily explained. I am now speaking English. It is not my mother tongue; in fact, no words of my mother tongue are now present in my consciousness; but let me try to bring them up, and they rush in. That shows that consciousness is only the surface of mental ocean, and within its depths are stored up all our experiences. Try and struggle, they would come up. and you would be conscious even of your past life.

This is direct and demonstrative evidence. Verification is the perfect proof of a theory, and here is the challenge thrown to the world by the Rishis. We have discovered the secret by which the very depths of the ocean of memory can be stirred up - try it and you would get a complete reminiscence of your past life.

So then the Hindu believes that he is a spirit. Him the sword cannot pierce - him the fire cannot burn - him the water cannot melt - him the air cannot dry. The Hindu believes that every soul is a circle whose circumference is nowhere but whose center is located in the body, and that death means the change of the center from holy to body. Nor is the soul bound by the conditions of matter.

In its very essence, it is free, unbounded, holy, pure, and perfect. But somehow or other it finds itself tied down to matter and thinks of itself as matter.
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More info in chapter Raja-Yoga.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Hinduism is NOT Polytheistic.
Time and time again people will oppose Hinduism saying that it's polytheistic.

There are different types of Hindus. Some are monotheistic dualists, some are panentheists and many are monistic. I am not even sure than any Hindus are polytheistic.

So who told you this? Why do you think this?

Get it right, we are not Polytheists.
I've been saying this for years, and sometimes met resistence. Some will grant that while this is true of the educated, "90% of Indians are poor polytheists." I don't know enough about Indian society to argue this. What's your opinion?
 
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