It Is Now Legitimate To Question Jesus's Historicity

[DNB]

However, I doubt it will have any effect on Christianity.
Or, do you think it will?

Of course it will, the notion will affect those who were on the fence, or the superficial devotees - they will abandon the faith.
As far as the sincerely reverent are concerned, the entire Gospel rests solely on the veritable fact of Christ's resurrection. Without his sacrifice, there is no absolution of sin. Without his resurrection, there is no hope for man, and therefore, no faith.
Christ was the first-born of all creation, and the first-born from the dead. Without him, God's entire will and Word looses all its significance.
Jesus did not come to earth to tell people to be good, we are not saved by works, but by grace through faith. So his message of love is superfluous and pointless if he is not the Messiah - Moses and the prophets already taught about righteousness. Jesus taught about laying his life down for mankind.
No death on the cross and subsequent resurrection from the dead, then no Salvation.

 

[lukethethird]

Of course it will, the notion will affect those who were on the fence, or the superficial devotees - they will abandon the faith.
As far as the sincerely reverent are concerned, the entire Gospel rests solely on the veritable fact of Christ's resurrection. Without his sacrifice, there is no absolution of sin. Without his resurrection, there is no hope for man, and therefore, no faith.
Christ was the first-born of all creation, and the first-born from the dead. Without him, God's entire will and Word looses all its significance.
Jesus did not come to earth to tell people to be good, we are not saved by works, but by grace through faith. So his message of love is superfluous and pointless if he is not the Messiah - Moses and the prophets already taught about righteousness. Jesus taught about laying his life down for mankind.
No death on the cross and subsequent resurrection from the dead, then no Salvation.

Those are faith beliefs anyways, they'll continue.

 

[PruePhillip]

No double standards, it boils down to sources. To date there are no primary sources for Jesus, he is without contemporaries, and there are no secondary sources that make reference to primary sources. He's not in the history books. We do have religious texts that are theological works of literature beginning with the epistles. That doesn't scratch the surface of problems but sources is the place to start.

And we don't have primary sources for Hannibal either.
I put it to you that when the Roman senator Cato declared Carthage should be
burned to the ground he himself could have invented this elephant/alps story to
justify Rome's cruelty.
So let's go through the history books and begin weeding out any story or figure
that has no primary sources.

ps I thought Peter, John and Mark were primary sources - and James was Jesus'
brother, for crying out loud.

 

[The Hammer]

Well, of course, the historical veracity of his resurrection is the pinnacle of the Christian faith.
If there is no life after death, all missionary work, martyrdom and sacrifice will cease, ...eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.

Jesus isn't necessary for life after death. Well at least not to us non Christians

 

[rational experiences]

If you own a subject let's first discuss holy man.

Isn't holy man the saved healthy human spiritual living life?

Yes.

Just a man?

Yes.

So a man not living owns no words to use against us?

Yes

So first a non speaking man communed in a duality with all things not named?

Yes. So you used a human spoken word against all things not named existing?

Yes.

So a spiritual man should not talk?

Yes.

As words were used against us.

Not talking wins against a word user?

No.

If you don't speak we cannot stop him.

Okay

So rationally by name you are not a human a man or name user of any type?

Yes.

Communing in a duality with anything else

The self.

So you cannot theory maths without words?

Yes.

So you had to be living in a duality being with anything else to apply science thesis?

Yes.

Is your answer about not discussing Jesus

Why did men a being discuss Jesus?

Life got man being sacrificed.

So all blood cell bone bodies was sacrificed meaning any type?

Yes.

Stone like human bone into sink holes!

Blood like type In beast animal.and human!

Cells like in water in humans in animals in garden nature!

Yes it all left in the flood.

Who told the flood? Jewish humans did versus pyramid technology.

Humans.

Don't you have to live to be notified of flooding?

Yes

What about life's sacrifice?
Yes.

Who and why taught the next story?

Sacrificed human life. Again.

Why don't you reiterate the story today?

Because it is the same story. Science is sacrificing life again. Let's not tell the public.

Is this a third time story?

Yes.

You mean a human conscious thinker theist prediction of a man,?

Yes

So three times he will sacrifice life?

Yes.

A prediction known.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Because I'm sick of everyone being able to jump on Christianity with impunity and disparage their own heritage, their own culture, their ancestors. It's like, why can't it just be given a break? It's not what it once was. In Europe Christianity as default is gone. It's done. And yet people still feel the need to bash, essentially, 2000 years of their history basically just out of spite. It saddens me. Just let the Christians have their beliefs and leave them alone.

I'd be more than happy to leave them alone... just as soon as the Christians in my country allow me to have my beliefs and leave me alone. Instead they constantly insist upon pushing their beliefs onto secular society.

 

[lukethethird]

And we don't have primary sources for Hannibal either.
I put it to you that when the Roman senator Cato declared Carthage should be
burned to the ground he himself could have invented this elephant/alps story to
justify Rome's cruelty.
So let's go through the history books and begin weeding out any story or figure
that has no primary sources.

Yes, by all means.

ps I thought Peter, John and Mark were primary sources - and James was Jesus'
brother, for crying out loud.

No, the gospel authors are anonymous, names were assigned late 2nd century. The gospels are literature, literary works of art, theology, written somewhere unknown, and after 70CE. Unfortunately, James as Jesus's brother comes from a single line taken out of context and does not hold up to scrutiny.

 

[rational experiences]

Theme earths human Christ I an.

An identified advice.

I AM. Mother's words let it be....words of wisdom diction M ARY.

In Christ immaculate heavens gases all humans are baptised with holy water of life and conscious mind.

A teaching everyone is by term a Christian naturally.

Is not a dispute it is reality.

 

[lukethethird]

Well, of course, the historical veracity of his resurrection is the pinnacle of the Christian faith.
If there is no life after death, all missionary work, martyrdom and sacrifice will cease, ...eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.

I agree with you, ...eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.

 

[lukethethird]

Did this happen today? This is posted like a news headline. What did I miss.
What time did it become "legitimate?"
I was at work till 3.

Actually the thread does come from a headline in a similar vein, but from about 2015 or 16, so, kind of late.

 

[rational experiences]

Father said.

Man brother did not listen theoried science.

Applied science.

Life was attacked.

Natural life first
Natural life sacrificed became it's owned teacher.

Science taught 100 per cent wrong.

Father said mineral melt metal. Less energy not radiating.

In the beginning man built machine.

Design. Numbers that did not own form.

Then he reacted dust nuclear.

Metal in space seam pressure God body.

Volcano O opened from iron metal core into tunnel system.

Earth released radiation.

Ice melts that sealed tunnels underground seams.

Ice puts water first into earth core volcanic eruptions seals core.

Above ground science removes presence fused mineral in mass. Face mountains falls off in disintegration...loss of face with God.

Ground fusion changes held particle fusion changes how sink holes opens to water.

Water then arises as a flood out of stone.

Two types flood. Flood of life's death. Flooding rain cooling burning gases.

Duality of a flood caused by science.

Science hence said the description flood never occurred. Of course it didn't. It's effects should not have occurred. Why you ignored your own advice. What I learnt because of science.

As you blamed earths changes yourself. As if earth should not change when humans are performing scientific converting.

Why you believed the thesis is intelligible.

 

[F1fan]

Well, of course, the historical veracity of his resurrection is the pinnacle of the Christian faith.

You don't find the resurrection problematic? To my mind it's a bit of a salvation bounced check. The sins of man are apindfor by the death of jesus. Him coming back to life invalidates that payment. Makes for a murky theology.

If there is no life after death, all missionary work, martyrdom and sacrifice will cease, ...eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.

Well, it seems the fear of death is crucial for Christianity to work. Could an afterlife be a bluff?

 

[lukethethird]

I wonder what the odds are.

 

[Secret Chief]

RE at Primary and Secondary for me involved learning about most religions. We even celebrated Diwali.

That's because I'm an old fart.

 

[rational experiences]

You don't find the resurrection problematic? To my mind it's a bit of a salvation bounced check. The sins of man are apindfor by the death of jesus. Him coming back to life invalidates that payment. Makes for a murky theology.


Well, it seems the fear of death is crucial for Christianity to work. Could an afterlife be a bluff?

My learning. I was taught by father man of science.

Teacher a man.

Consciousness mother's.

Mother O has all babies.

Man is innocent with mother grows Inheritance baby man's adult chemistry biology.

Forgets his advice.

To be nurtured.

Man wanted gods energy. Man did not have gods energy.

Facts.

Man then irradiated reasoned. Designer for building out of stone.

Scientists.

Design machine reaction controlled to get power by law consuming a man's thoughts only.

Mass natural no number.

Man then irradiated said kneel before me. Now in my presence. Don't look at me. Cower. Rich man's disease. Fakness. The false life.

You are not the theme a God.

Possession by egotism theism.

Thinking only

All humans born by human sex.

Live as a human eat drink have sex die.

Rich men said by a powerful choice together we can right all sins of man.

No says most of them I like to be powerfully special.

So they don't.

The poor man then had to plead his life sacrificed injustices.

Try to tell me something other than a group of men enabled life to be changed?

Is why egotism is not tolerated.

 

[PruePhillip]

Yes, by all means.

No, the gospel authors are anonymous, names were assigned late 2nd century. The gospels are literature, literary works of art, theology, written somewhere unknown, and after 70CE. Unfortunately, James as Jesus's brother comes from a single line taken out of context and does not hold up to scrutiny.

Really? 2nd Century? By this time the Catholic Church was up and running. No mention of them.
In fact, no mention of the biggest Jewish event of the 1st Century - the fall of the Temple.
I read the bible rather than books about the bible, and my reading of the end of Acts was that Luke
(or whatever author) was with Paul on his last trip to Rome. It's quite clear in the text. And this same
author quoted Matthew and Mark. This last trip was taken in the mid sixties First Century.

 

[rational experiences]

Fact of life before you get sexually conceived your parents know one day you will die.

You weren't saved from the state death.

You were saved to live life.

You get born part of your life body or mind is missing.

Where is it?

Human aware. My poor family living Sacrificed.

I say poor as a euphemism. Poor humans who slaves to build first pyramid technique were in fact poor equal humans.

Only Mr egotism rich man group wasn't poor.

He would then ask me am I treating him dishonestly.

His own self reflection that he never reflects on.

A healers conscious advice taught by my father brother.

 

[F1fan]

My learning. I was taught by father man of science.

Teacher a man.

Consciousness mother's.

Mother O has all babies.

Man is innocent with mother grows Inheritance baby man's adult chemistry biology.

Forgets his advice.

To be nurtured.

Man wanted gods energy. Man did not have gods energy.

Facts.

Man then irradiated reasoned. Designer for building out of stone.

Scientists.

Design machine reaction controlled to get power by law consuming a man's thoughts only.

Mass natural no number.

Man then irradiated said kneel before me. Now in my presence. Don't look at me. Cower. Rich man's disease. Fakness. The false life.

You are not the theme a God.

Possession by egotism theism.

Thinking only

All humans born by human sex.

Live as a human eat drink have sex die.

Rich men said by a powerful choice together we can right all sins of man.

No says most of them I like to be powerfully special.

So they don't.

The poor man then had to plead his life sacrificed injustices.

Try to tell me something other than a group of men enabled life to be changed?

Is why egotism is not tolerated.

You seem to be hitting everyone on this thread.

 

[Harel13]

Um, it's been legitimate since like the 18th century.

And we've been doing it longer.

 

[rational experiences]

Status prediction.

Jew said Jehovah is first Jesus status.

Second time Jesus.

Third ignoring life is already sacrificed a future predicting.

As it was ignored.

From attacked life to returned healed life science says maybe 13000 years.

Says it ignoring all previous mass losses.

Reasoned. You cannot say you knew how much conversion was converted as a calculus.

As it shifted.

So science preached. It's not science by maths it just shifting.

You completely ignore anything pre taught.

Reasoned.

I am a new life. I theory.

Don't you quote science laws? No.

We argue science beliefs.

We use maths. Prediction about converting wisdom.

Proven by machines.

Sciences own human proof only by machines.

Machines give you false advice

Argues again. No I see new things.

Did you ever think you were not meant to see what you studied using machines?

No. We don't says Artificial.egotism.intelligence.