Italy makes surrogacy an universal crime

[TagliatelliMonster]

What I meant is that you think that the State exists only to control economy... as if society and demography were something private.
Are you implying that the State is a sewer made up of bankers?
Because that's what the commoners think of the EU. A sewer. .)

I'm not implying anything about any such thing because it isn't the topic.
So I will not be engaging. I don't have the energy anymore to be dragged into your delusional broderline-conspiratory pet peeves.

So I suggest you do your best to discuss the actual topic. Which ironically is your own topic...

There is adoption. Completely free.

There is also surrogacy which allows you to have kids which are biologically yours.

 

[stvdv]

It was already a crime in Italy, now it forbids people from doing it abroad too

Italy makes surrogacy an universal crime​

Does this have anything to do with:
"Vatican and Pope are related to Italy?"

 

[stvdv]

It was already a crime in Italy, now it forbids people from doing it abroad too

Italy makes surrogacy an universal crime​

Wanting children is a desire

Why making a desire a crime, especially
IF you don't hurt others in the process?

Should they criminalize other harmless desires also?

Would criminalizing the pill be a next "logical step?"
Using your logic below, I guess you agree, right?

Or have you never used anti conception for the same reason as below, after all "sex is for making babies", not for indulging your desires, right?

if God didn't give you any children, you must respect His will. And move on

 

[Estro Felino]

Italy makes surrogacy an universal crime​

Wanting children is a desire

Why making a desire a crime, especially
IF you don't hurt others in the process?

Should they criminalize other harmless desires also?

Would criminalizing the pill be a next "logical step?"
Using your logic below, I guess you agree, right?

Or have you never used anti conception for the same reason as below, after all "sex is for making babies", not for indulging your desires, right?

If I were in charge , I would even make a law imposing the parenting license.

So imagine what I really think about surrogacy.

 

[Wu Wei]

Wait, I just read the title again...... "Universal" Crime.......so if someone goes to Kepler 22b, or Alpha Centauri, in the future.... its illegal by Italian law....... alrighty then.....

 

[McBell]

Wait, I just read the title again...... "Universal" Crime.......so if someone goes to Kepler 22b, or Alpha Centauri, in the future.... its illegal by Italian law....... alrighty then.....

Good luck enforcing it....

 

[stvdv]

If I were in charge , I would even make a law imposing the parenting license.

So imagine what I really think about surrogacy.

You don't answer my questions

So, if I understand correctly, you have experienced that parents mistreat(ed) their child(ren), were incapable to be "good" parents

I have experienced and seen that too

I think that parenting education should be given as a major lesson at young age in schools to turn around "bad parenting" naturally.

Might be possible to stop this "disease" in just a few generations if done this. Though Kali Yuga has been said to continue a few more thousands of years, so the reality probably is that we keep this problem for a while

But why the system doesn't do this?
Because the adults making the rules were abused by bad parenting too, never spoke up publicly, and hence were as guilty to it
(if you see injustice saying nothing makes you as guilty in allowing injustice to continue).
IF a person doesn't stop his/her parent's abuse I have seen they keep this vicious cycle going on. First step is to say STOP to your parents, that will empower you.

Education is the key
With freedom comes responsibility
Adults lack responsibility
Hence they don't deserve freedom

From above POV I agree with you
impose "parenting licence"
BUT
Also impose "sex (pill/condom) licence"
IF you don't want to be hypocritical
We need to tackle the root cause
To really change things