It's becoming the norm to accuse males running for political office of inappropriate touching

[metis]

...but Donald J. Trump has never cheated on any other married lady other than on his own wife. What happens between a married couple when one of them becomes unfaithful to the other, is nobody else's personal business. Right?

When one is in public office, it should matter because it boils down to honesty and integrity. Generally speaking, if one is dishonest in one area, chances are they they're dishonest in other areas as well, and Trump has, without a shadow of a doubt, proven that he is highly dishonest in more than just one area.

But that even is only part of the picture of his utter depravity.

 

[Salvador]

When one is in public office, it should matter because it boils down to honesty and integrity. Generally speaking, if one is dishonest in one area, chances are they they're dishonest in other areas as well, and Trump has, without a shadow of a doubt, proven that he is highly dishonest in more than just one area.

But that even is only part of the picture of his utter depravity.

Perhaps, we can agree sometimes the ends justify the means. Also, imo, Donald J. Trump either has kept or is earnestly trying to keep most of his political campaign promises he's made to us Trump supporters; we can't ask for any more integrity than that. ...

 

[metis]

Perhaps, we can agree sometimes the ends justify the means. Also, imo, Donald J. Trump either has kept or is earnestly trying to keep most of his political campaign promises he's made to us Trump supporters; we can't ask for any more integrity than that. ...

First of all, I simply do not accept that "the ends justify the means". Secondly, why just focus on the promises he has kept but not the ones he's not kept? He said he'd bring us together; he'd appoint the best advisers; he'd release his tax returns before the election; he'd release the full Mueller report; etc. And then he has put children in cages near the southern border that mimics what the NAZI's did. He has tried to stop the investigations after saying he would comply and that he has nothing to hide. He is now averaging 10+ lies per day when he speaks publicly according to the WaPo and the Toronto Star. And I could go on and on about many of the other things he's said and done.

So, there's an old saying that "You are like the company you keep", so I guess my question is why would you support such utter dishonesty and depravity?

 

[Salvador]

First of all, I simply do not accept that "the ends justify the means". Secondly, why just focus on the promises he has kept but not the ones he's not kept? He said he'd bring us together; he'd appoint the best advisers; he'd release his tax returns before the election; he'd release the full Mueller report; etc. And then he has put children in cages near the southern border that mimics what the NAZI's did. He has tried to stop the investigations after saying he would comply and that he has nothing to hide. He is now averaging 10+ lies per day when he speaks publicly according to the WaPo and the Toronto Star. And I could go on and on about many of the other things he's said and done.

So, there's an old saying that "You are like the company you keep", so I guess my question is why would you support such utter dishonesty and depravity?

Firstly, the claim Trump has put children in cages near the southern border like what was done in NAZI Germany fashion is in itself a dishonest claim. The truth of the matter is these children were humanely sheltered in secure illegal immigration detention facilities where they've been well feed and warmly clothed.

Secondly, I'm totally fine with Trump's "white" lies in order to counter the blatant lies of the extreme socialists, radical environmentalists, social justice warriors, and fake media news.

 

[metis]

Firstly, the claim Trump has put children in cages near the southern border like what was done in NAZI Germany fashion is in itself a dishonest claim. The truth of the matter is these children were humanely sheltered in secure illegal immigration detention facilities where they've been well feed and warmly clothed.

I was not in any way being "dishonest", and your cheap shot is so utterly pathetic and dishonest in and of itself. Even many Pubs have gone against Trump on this, including Ivanka!

I was sponsored on a study of the Holocaust back in 1991 in Poland and Israel for three weeks, and what I now see with this administration is terribly similar to what the NAZI's did and how the NAZI propaganda machine churned out the kind of xenophobic and nativistic hatred that you now accept as your own. Look at some of the copies of "Der Sturmer" translated into English if you think I'm exaggerating.

Secondly, I'm totally fine with Trump's "white" lies in order to counter the blatant lies of the extreme socialists, radical environmentalists, social justice warriors, and fake media news.

"White lies"!!!

If your kids were put in cages, would that be just a "white lie"? If Trump took your wife and then bragged "I can grope [her] by [her] p***y and forcibly kiss [her]", would that be a "white lie" too? If Trump kept telling you one thing and but then did the opposite, is that just another "white lie" that you'd be willing to excuse? Or is it that as long as it just happens to others that then it's all fine and dandy with you?

That's sick-- truly sick.

 

[Revoltingest]

I was sponsored on a study of the Holocaust back in 1991 in Poland and Israel for three weeks, and what I now see with this administration is terribly similar to what the NAZI's did and how the NAZI propaganda machine churned out the kind of xenophobic and nativistic hatred that you now accept as your own.

Dang, man....you're not helping your case.
You can study anthropology, holocausts & Nazis all you want, but it is
worse than ridiculous to claim it's happening again here & now.
Pretense of scholarly opinion does not make a loony claim cromulent.

 

[Salvador]

I was not in any way being "dishonest", and your cheap shot is so utterly pathetic and dishonest in and of itself. Even many Pubs have gone against Trump on this, including Ivanka!

I was sponsored on a study of the Holocaust back in 1991 in Poland and Israel for three weeks, and what I now see with this administration is terribly similar to what the NAZI's did and how the NAZI propaganda machine churned out the kind of xenophobic and nativistic hatred that you now accept as your own. Look at some of the copies of "Der Sturmer" translated into English if you think I'm exaggerating.

"White lies"!!!

If your kids were put in cages, would that be just a "white lie"? If Trump took your wife and then bragged "I can grope [her] by [her] p***y and forcibly kiss [her]", would that be a "white lie" too? If Trump kept telling you one thing and but then did the opposite, is that just another "white lie" that you'd be willing to excuse? Or is it that as long as it just happens to others that then it's all fine and dandy with you?

That's sick-- truly sick.

There are children brought into our nation illegally whom kidnappers and human sex traffickers abuse in order to successfully cross our border. We have no idea from whom and where these children legitimately belong. They shouldn't be kept together with potentially dangerous criminal smugglers who might be abusive towards these children.

F.Y.I ... My wife was actually groped by a local politician whom I'd supported; this happened at Wrigley Field while my wife was getting hot dogs and sodas for us at the concession stand; there, this politician deliberately bumped into her and preceded to cop a feel from her. Believe you me, I was very upset towards somebody whom I thought was trustworthy. After this happened, I did not donate to this pervert's political re-election campaign; furthermore, I voted for his political opponent. I don't tolerate anybody who would mess around with my family.

 

[metis]

There are children brought into our nation illegally whom kidnappers and human sex traffickers abuse in order to successfully cross our border. We have no idea from whom and where these children legitimately belong.

When they come here, we generally do know where they're coming from, but when we separate them from their families as this administration has done, this leaves literally thousands of children here whereas they have not been connected with their parents and whereas the records in many cases are so incomplete that they may never be reunited.

They shouldn't be kept together with potentially dangerous criminal smugglers who might be abusive towards these children.

That's different as even the Obama administration would at least temporarily take them away as U.S. law prohibits children being incarcerated with their parents if the parents are awaiting trial for potential criminal activity.

But what this administration has been doing is to go well beyond anything that the Obama administration did along these lines in order to "send a message", which Trump said at the time of implementing these actions and whereas he just repeated the same exact words again just last week. If your children would be separated from you even though you are not awaiting trial for any criminal activity, what would you think? Seeking asylum is not a criminal activity under both U.S. and international law even if said people were trying to cross the border illegally.

I don't tolerate anybody who would mess around with my family.

Then why don't you have empathy for other families whereas Trump said he can grope and forcibly kiss women? He cheated on Melania just two months after delivering their son.

But what goes legally beyond that and is probably criminal is his payoffs to the two women during the campaign with campaign funds, which is a federal violation of campaign laws. Cohen's recording of their conversations is the "smoking gun" on that. He was previously fined for a similar illegality involving misappropriation of campaign funds (for his personal use) that occurred during the 2016 election, plus was also fined for his illegality with the Trump University fiasco.

So, if harmful actions against your family are important, why aren't such actions against other families important? Don't they count, iyo?

 

[Salvador]

Then why don't you have empathy for other families whereas Trump said he can grope and forcibly kiss women? He cheated on Melania just two months after delivering their son.

But what goes legally beyond that and is probably criminal is his payoffs to the two women during the campaign with campaign funds, which is a federal violation of campaign laws. Cohen's recording of their conversations is the "smoking gun" on that. He was previously fined for a similar illegality involving misappropriation of campaign funds (for his personal use) that occurred during the 2016 election, plus was also fined for his illegality with the Trump University fiasco.

So, if harmful actions against your family are important, why aren't such actions against other families important? Don't they count, iyo?

I believe Obama was fined by the Federal Election Commission for not disclosing campaign donations. So then, Trump's not the first President to get fined by the FEC.

Anybody scammed by Trump's fake University has been lawfully reimbursed their tuition they'd paid to Trump's fake University.

Melania should have known what she was getting into when she'd married a worldly man like Donald J. Trump.

I do believe, to Donald J. Trump's credit, he's never messed around with the wife of a jealous man. Perhaps, we can agree we should always strive to look into the good of everybody, including our POTUS.

 

[metis]

Melania should have known what she was getting into when she'd married a world man like Donald J. Trump.

That's blaming the victim.

I do believe, to Donald J. Trump's credit, he's never messed around with the wife of a jealous man.

And what gives you such evidence? Around 15 women said that Trump sexually assaulted them in some way, so are all of them lying? I don't know if any of them or all of them lied, but it's "interesting" that Trump said he would sue them right after the election but he didn't.

Perhaps, we can agree we should always strive to look into the good of everybody, including our POTUS.

Agreed, which is also why I consider what Trump has been doing with those seeking asylum at our southern border by separating families and putting some of them into literal cages as being highly unethical. And when someone cheats on their spouse, that I also believe is unethical. And when someone lies over again, that I also believe is unethical. And when someone calls people names, like "Pocahontas", I also believe that is unethical. And when someone tries to stop fully legal investigations, I also believe that is unethical. And ...

 

[Salvador]

And what gives you such evidence? Around 15 women said that Trump sexually assaulted them in some way, so are all of them lying? I don't know if any of them or all of them lied, but it's "interesting" that Trump said he would sue them right after the election but he didn't.

No doubt, a worldly handsome and powerful man like Donald J. Trump gets around, but I don't think any of his mistresses were married ladies. Right?

And when someone calls people names, like "Pocahontas", I also believe that is unethical. And when someone tries to stop fully legal investigations, I also believe that is unethical. And ...

Elizabeth Warren deserves ridicule for lying about here heritage in order to gain preferential treatment. Being 99.9 percent European American and 1/1000 part Native American does not entitle somebody to benefit from racial affirmative action. Right?

 

[metis]

No doubt, a worldly handsome and powerful man like Donald J. Trump gets around,...

So that's your excuse for him committing adultery? If your wife committed adultery in violation of her wedding vows to you, would you also just excuse her as well without even an apology from her?

but I don't think any of his mistresses were married ladies. Right?

I don't know, but either way adultery is adultery because Trump was at the least married.

Elizabeth Warren deserves ridicule for lying about here heritage in order to gain preferential treatment. Being 99.9 percent European American and 1/100 percent Native American does not entitle somebody to benefit from racial affirmative action.

And that somehow excuses Trump's name-calling?

And he's also done this to many others, and yet responsible parents even teach their young children not to use name-calling, as do the teachers. But with you it's quite acceptable if one can conjure up any excuse for it? If one uses name-calling here at RF, they can be reprimanded and even dismissed from this site, so is RF being wrong about that?

IMO, based on what you and some others have done here at RF, is that you and they tend to fall into a form of blind hero-worship that's more based on emotion than on reality. As Trump brazenly claimed, he could shoot someone right in the head and yet his base would still blindly follow him. And this is the same kind of blind loyalty that led to the rise of Mussolini and Hitler as being "strong leaders", which is why Trump has praised Putin, Kim Jong Um, and even Saddam Hussein. Are these people those who you also praise? Hopefully not, so if you don't then why would you support someone as blatantly unethical as Trump? Just because he's a "strong leader"? Just because he tells you some things that you want to hear? But what about his words and deeds that hurt innocent people? Don't they count?

Anyhow, we've both made our points, so I'll give you the last word without my responding any further.

Take care.

 

[fantome profane]

I do believe, to Donald J. Trump's credit, he's never messed around with the wife of a jealous man.

I have not researched the marital status of all of the women who made a creditable claim of sexual assault or harassment against Trump (have you?).

But if you go back and look at that infamous Hollywood Access tape Trump is telling a story about trying to sleep with a married woman. He failed, according to his story, but he tried.

“I moved on her. I moved on her and I failed. I did try to **** her. She was married.”

I don’t think he should get any credit for this.

 

[Salvador]

I have not researched the marital status of all of the women who made a creditable claim of sexual assault or harassment against Trump (have you?).

But if you go back and look at that infamous Hollywood Access tape Trump is telling a story about trying to sleep with a married woman. He failed, according to his story, but he tried.

“I moved on her. I moved on her and I failed. I did try to **** her. She was married.”

I don’t think he should get any credit for this.

Oh...that was just locker room talk from Trump to his entertainment business buddies. ..I doubt Donald J. Trump would likely actually mess around with a wife of a jealous man.

 

[fantome profane]

Oh...that was just locker room talk from Trump to his entertainment business buddies. ..I doubt Donald J. Trump would likely actually mess around with a wife of a jealous man.

I doubt your doubt.

 

[fantome profane]

Oh...that was just locker room talk from Trump to his entertainment business buddies. ..I doubt Donald J. Trump would likely actually mess around with a wife of a jealous man.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No doubt, a worldly handsome and powerful man like Donald J. Trump gets around, but I don't think any of his mistresses were married ladies. Right?

Congratulations, you just outed yourself as an apologist for sexual assault and a blatant misogynist.

 

[Salvador]

Congratulations, you just outed yourself as an apologist for sexual assault and a blatant misogynist.

I've neither been an apologist for sexual assault nor blatant misogynist, because there's zero evidence Trump's sexual relations with other women were non-consensual. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were many women who were more than willing to have sexual relations with Mr. Trump in order to get their hands on some of his money. .

Sometimes, boys will be boys and many women know how to financially benefit from this.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...t_kamala_harris_slept_her_way_to_the_top.html

 

[fantome profane]

I've neither been an apologist for sexual assault nor blatant misogynist,

You can’t deny that you are an apologist for what you refer to as “locker room talk”.

Let me ask you this. If someone had spoken about your wife that way, would you still support them?

Trump was talking about someone’s wife. “I tried to **** her””I moved on her like a *****”.

Are these comments acceptable to you? Would they be acceptable if it was about your wife? Can you not see how misogynistic this is?

 

[Audie]

I've neither been an apologist for sexual assault nor blatant misogynist, because there's zero evidence Trump's sexual relations with other women were non-consensual. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were many women who were more than willing to have sexual relations with Mr. Trump in order to get their hands on some of his money. .

Sometimes, boys will be boys and many women know how to financially benefit from this.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...t_kamala_harris_slept_her_way_to_the_top.html

I've nothing against you and do not know you,but I get
the feeling that you do not get it. I'd not expect you
to know what it is to be a woman, and experience the
harassment that we do, in a society that thinks it
is ok, boys will be boys, etc.

But coming up with anything resembling an excuse for
it, or saying see the women know how to make the
most of it... please.

Now, it is true that things are better now than in the
past, better in the USA than elsewhere.

I rode subways in Tokyo, and it was awful, but it
was in a NYC subway that some man left his,
ah, DNA on my pants and jacket.

You dont know what that is like.

To me, a man of character treats people decently.
Children, Eskimos, women, old young, whoever.

If a person is of low character,then they really
should not be in office.

One thing my mom really taught me is to watch
out for friends ("friends")who do anything abusive
to anyone. "If they will do it to the others, they
will do it to you too."

In among the hate crimes and the sexual assaults
there will be fakes, a few. And some fake
accusations.

If. though, you or any man were to spend even a
day as a young woman, around men, you would
come away with a whole new POV. Men are very
different around women than they are with other
men. You dont get to see it. I do.

Not on your case here, but plz, think about what I
said.