It's not a problem for animals to have sex with the same sex

[Wasp]

God did not design body parts to go with any or all body parts.
God designed specific body parts to go with specific body parts.
Some humans then misused their body parts, putting them where they do not belong.
What more can I say?

You're making excuses in defence of God's design? This isn't all just about anal sex. The question remains how do you know what was God's purpose is and what is not allowed when it comes to sex?

 

[Trailblazer]

You're making excuses in defence of God's design? This isn't all just about anal sex. The question remains how do you know what was God's purpose is and what is not allowed when it comes to sex?

The way I know if from scriptures of religions. It is in the Bible, the Qur'an and the Writings of Baha'u'llah..
There is no other way to know God's purpose for man.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Humans copying animals generally doesn't lead to the most civilised behaviour.

Even if you support homosexual sex, this argument is bad.

We are animals.

 

[Rival]

We are animals.

Sure, but we have a different type of civilisation with moral codes and ethics. This argument could go 'Animals kill other animals and commit rape so why can't humans?' which is illogical and no sane person ever uses such logic.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Sure, but we have a different type of civilisation with moral codes and ethics. This argument could go 'Animals kill other animals and commit rape so why can't humans?' which is illogical and no sane person ever uses such logic.

Other animals run on instinct primarily, whereas we have only a few instances where we utilize instinct. We are sentient as well. But we are still animals. In patriarchal ancient times rape was a normal way to secure a wife.

 

[Rival]

Other animals run on instinct primarily, whereas we have only a few instances where we utilize instinct. We are sentient as well. But we are still animals. In patriarchal ancient times rape was a normal way to secure a wife.

All I'm saying is that saying 'humans are animals', whether one is in line with that view or not, or 'animals do it', is not a justification for behaviour since for thousands of years we have striven to hold ourselves to higher standards than the savagery practiced by other creatures.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Why is it sinful for man?

Are there any homosexual animals?

It isn't and the people who claim as such are just wrong. The end. Humans are animals as well.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

All I'm saying is that saying 'humans are animals', whether one is in line with that view or not, or 'animals do it', is not a justification for behaviour since for thousands of years we have striven to hold ourselves to higher standards than the savagery practiced by other creatures.

We aren't really different from other animals aside from our complexity. "Nature red in tooth and claw" is just incorrect. Animals don't spend most of their lives killing or being killed. They have varied lives just like us. As for savagery, no one doubts the savagery of humanity.

 

[Wasp]

The way I know if from scriptures of religions. It is in the Bible, the Qur'an and the Writings of Baha'u'llah..
There is no other way to know God's purpose for man.

Prove it. I've been looking. But in order to get such an impression one has to be prejudiced and already learned that it is so.

 

[Wasp]

All I'm saying is that saying 'humans are animals', whether one is in line with that view or not, or 'animals do it', is not a justification for behaviour since for thousands of years we have striven to hold ourselves to higher standards than the savagery practiced by other creatures.

Striven to hold ourselves to higher standards? We've more or less failed then.

But i don't see the point in your argument. Why is it irrelevant that animals do it? Is there logic for it or is it just something you've decided?

They say it's unnatural. But how can it be unnatural if it's all over the place in the 'natural' world?

 

[Rival]

Striven to hold ourselves to higher standards? We've more or less failed then.

But i don't see the point in your argument. Why is it irrelevant that animals do it? Is there logic for it or is it just something you've decided?

They say it's unnatural. But how can it be unnatural if it's all over the place in the 'natural' world?

Not really. Murder, rape, theft and so on are all illegal and have been for years. Perhaps not as individuals but as societies we strive to make people's lives as free from such crimes as we can because for whatever reason we see these things as bad.

It's irrelevant that other animals do it because they don't hold themselves to moral codes like we do. For the same reason we don't try to justify torture by saying it's alright because cats torture their prey, nor say that rape is ok since it's natural because loads of other animals do it. This form of argumentation is just illogical and shoddy. Cancer and herpes are also natural, big deal.

Nature is neither good nor bad, it's apathetic, and trying to use it to justify behaviour is not a good argument. So those people who say gay sex is unnatural are wrong, but at the same time trying to justify any action by saying it's natural is also bad logic because loads of things are natural but that has no bearing on their morality.

 

[InChrist]

He designed it.

No, God did not design homosexual sex and more than adultery, fornication, or any other number of things humans do.

 

[Wasp]

Not really. Murder, rape, theft and so on are all illegal and have been for years. Perhaps not as individuals but as societies we strive to make people's lives as free from such crimes as we can because for whatever reason we see these things as bad.

For very specific reasons.

It's irrelevant that other animals do it because they don't hold themselves to moral codes like we do. For the same reason we don't try to justify torture by saying it's alright because cats torture their prey

Cats by definition don't.

, nor say that rape is ok since it's natural because loads of other animals do it.

It's not defined rape.

This form of argumentation is just illogical and shoddy.

It certainly isn't the op's argument. I don't know where you got it from, but it makes no sense to me.

Nature is neither good nor bad, it's apathetic, and trying to use it to justify behaviour is not a good argument.

Behaviour is directly related to nature. If nature is not good or bad why would sex with the same sex be good or bad if it's part of nature?

So those people who say gay sex is unnatural are wrong, but at the same time trying to justify any action by saying it's natural is also bad logic because loads of things are natural but that has no bearing on their morality.

I don't see it as a justification. Just something to think about. Saying for instance that it is in Scripture when it by all appearances isn't, is also not a justification for discrimination and violence against it.

 

[InChrist]

No. I haven't read the bible, but the Qur'an, and similar logic is used in general of the Qur'an. Meaning homosexuality is comdemned and the activity detested etc.

But as far as I know the Bible doesn't strictly speak of homosexuality. Neither does the Qur'an.

The Bible does speak about it. If you haven't read it you shouldn't assume to know what it says or doesn't say.

 

[Wasp]

No, God did not design homosexual sex and more than adultery, fornication, or any other number of things humans do.

Yes he did. Could we have designed them by ourselves against His will? Did He not know all along it was going to happen?

 

[Wasp]

The Bible does speak about it. If you haven't read it you shouldn't assume to know what it says or doesn't say.

I have done research but go ahead show me where it says so.

 

[Trailblazer]

Prove it. I've been looking. But in order to get such an impression one has to be prejudiced and already learned that it is so.

Prove what?

 

[InChrist]

So He designed male and female humans, and for the most part male and female animals, but as soon as animals evolve a certain point and develop human traits, they no longer are designed for it?

What is that supposed to mean? Are saying that just because humans can do certain things that anything and everything is meant to be done and it is all part of the design? A human hand can use a knife to cut bread or stab someone...are both uses okay, in your opinion?

I believe God, as the Designer gave laws or instructions, like an owner's manual comes with an appliance or new car. Misusing the item causes damage. I think God in His wisdom knows how humans were designed to function properly.

 

[InChrist]

Yes he did. Could we have designed them by ourselves against His will? Did He not know all along it was going to happen?

A human hand can use a knife to cut bread or stab someone...are both uses okay, in your opinion?

Although, the hand can murder, God's word says humans are NOT to murder.

 

[Skwim]

If you don't understand "why" homosexual sex/relationships are wrong in God's perspective,( the God as revealed in the biblical scriptures), then you must not have read the Bible, understood it, nor understood who God is and image of who God is revealed through male and female qualities.

Okay, I'm a dunderhead. I've read the Bible and still don't know why god considers a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, to be a detestable act. Or why when women stopped having natural sex with men and started having sex with other women, it's shameful. OR why when men stopped having natural sex with women and began wanting each other all the time, it's shameful. OR why if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind: it's an abomination. OR If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them shall surely be put to death;

So please explain why god considers physical homosexual relations to be shameful, detestable, an abomination, and worthy of the death penalty.



Exactly, what is the crucial difference between people of the same sex committing an act that makes it an abomination, but is not an abomination when the very same act is performed by people of opposite sex?

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