Its not euthanasia, its suicide.

[Shadow Wolf]

After you answer these questions we can talk about your claim of "otherwise healthy person"...

Amd after I post where I discussed the reality that well and healthy does not mean free of physiological symptoms and origins of pain.
Now, of course it really all is physiological because the brain and all it does for us isn't magically separated into a separate entity. But as we're seeing some are slow to adopt the fact that mental health and physical health are both referring to the overall health of an individual. Today we know too much that we know better than to try to separate the two as we traditionally have tried to. This mentality continues to be a detriment for mental illness.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

• When have you talked to her, let alone met her?
• When did you examine her medical records?.
• What is your Doctor specialty?
• When did you examine her?
• What do you know about The Dutch Termination of Life on Request and Assisted Suicide Act?

After you answer these questions we can talk about your claim of "otherwise healthy person"...

I haven't done any of these things of course and neither have you. I just by default oppose doctors killing their patients that would otherwise live a normal lifespan and you apparently don't. I'm curious though, how would you react if this woman were your own family member or someone you loved and cared about? Would you say the same thing? Are her friends and family encouraging this? If they are, to me it would make sense that they get charged and put in prison. There was a case where a woman convinced her depressed boyfriend to take his own life and she (justifiably) got sent to prison. People who actively encourage suicide are the absolute scum of the earth and one of the worst types of degenerate imaginable and probably one of the main reasons that suicide occurs in the first place.

 

[Messianic Israelite]

I can't find any major news reporting this, and I hope to god it isn't true, but several secondary media sources are running with this recent story involving a perfectly healthy woman who was told her depression is incurable and she will never ever get better, and will be voluntarily killing herself next month at the time this story is published.

MSN

I'm an advocate of euthanasia, but this doesn't sound right as I've never heard of any incurable mental illness aside from mental retardation or some other issue involving a person's brain where their behavior is severely compromised.

For me this is suicide and not euthanasia , but I also feel if a person wants to end their life, it's their business when all is said and done. Still , I feel this is a really bad decision and I hope , if true, this gets averted.

Good evening Twilight Hue.

In our faith the Assemblies of Yahweh we are pro-life. We do not believe in euthanasia. Although scientific opinion can deem one as incurable and a situation to be hopeless, we know in our faith that Yahweh can work miracles. He can reverse the most hopeless situations. Science is not our Mighty One, Yahweh is, and He can do all things through Yahshua.

"And in his name shall the Gentiles hope." (see Matthew 12:21 Isaiah 42:1-4)

Yahshua the Messiah is so powerful that He can cause the dead to live again, he can cause the blind to see, the dumb to speak, the deaf to hear and other things even greater than these He can do for those who come to Him in faith. I know this. Therefore I despise euthanasia because it's trusting scientific opinion rather than Yahweh's ability to save. Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation. In the end of the age, Yahweh will perform great miracles for those who come to Him in faith and come to believe on His Name.

 

[McBell]

I haven't done any of these things of course and neither have you.

So then anything you claim is nothing more than wild speculation, right?
Just like everyone else in this thread making claims about her, her doctors, her family, her friends, her medical history...
But that does not even slow you down claiming she is healthy.
Does not even slow you down making bold empty claims about other members.

I just by default oppose doctors killing their patients that would otherwise live a normal lifespan and you apparently don't.

Strawman

I'm curious though, how would you react if this woman were your own family member or someone you loved and cared about? Would you say the same thing? Are her friends and family encouraging this?

I do not know.
Seeing as all I know about the person in the OP is based upon a half page media article that has a whole whopping two sentences about her medical conditions...
So it seems to me you are merely attempting an appeal to emotion fallacy.
I mean, if all I knew was a two statement presentation of "own family member or someone you loved and cared about" medical situation...

I have no idea how her friends and family feel about her decision to commit suicide.
Neither do you.
Neither does anyone else on this forum.

If they are, to me it would make sense that they get charged and put in prison.

Except for the fact that she has already gone through all the red tape and gotten approved for the procedure through the law.
So it seems to me this nothing more than another emotion rant.

There was a case where a woman convinced her depressed boyfriend to take his own life and she (justifiably) got sent to prison. People who actively encourage suicide are the absolute scum of the earth and one of the worst types of degenerate imaginable and probably one of the main reasons that suicide occurs in the first place.

More emotional appeal that has nothing to do with the fact that the lady in the OP has already gone through all the red tape, etc. to be able to legally die.

 

[Secret Chief]

"People kill themselves NOW before becoming incapable of doing so later." - Richard Dawkins.

I agree.

 

[Madsaac]

I think it's fine, if she is that depressed and sees no way out, she should be allowed to make that choice. What's the point of living in a world of pain and suffering.

And what irks me, are the people saying she can't do it, how do you know what state she's in, it has nothing to do with you.

Besides its much better having dignified death rather then having her blow her brains out later.

 

[Madsaac]

It may be their business, but the devastating impact of suicide on the lives of friends and families of the deceased, should not be underestimated. It can cause more pain than murder, to those left behind.

Yeah but its not suicide, I'm sure she talked to those close about it, which allowed her to have a dignified death.

 

[Madsaac]

No, I'm not very likely to start supporting letting or encouraging severely depressed people to commit suicide. That's not even euthanasia to me. I find it morally evil and psychopathic. I believe we all have a duty to each other as members of a common society, to safeguard each other's lives. You can't take back suicide. By killing yourself, you permanently remove any chance of healing.

But you can keep throwing a tantrum. I just asked for some links. Whatever.

It's not suicide, its euthanasia...ummm it's different

 

[Madsaac]

There is no way to die with dignity, death is always going to be disgraceful. Imo.

It's not like giving you a choice when to die stops it being death.

Really, no way to die with dignity?

Are you serious?

 

[Rival]

Really, no way to die with dignity?

Are you serious?

Dying is never dignified. It's also not a universalisable principle for mentally ill people to kill themselves.

 

[Madsaac]

You don't need nor require any degree to see poor medicine in action. Doctors are not the only ones who have a brain you know.

Where in the article does it suggest 'poor medicine'? Or is that just your biased assumption?

 

[Madsaac]

Dying is never dignified. It's also not a universalisable principle for mentally ill people to kill themselves.

You think every death is the same? Getting your head chopped off compared to peacefully die with your family.

Are you serious?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Where in the article does it suggest 'poor medicine'? Or is that just your biased assumption?

Its your biased projection. I never mentioned anything about the article.

 

[Secret Chief]

Dying is never dignified.

What rubbish. I have been present at several dignified deaths.

 

[McBell]

Its your biased projection. I never mentioned anything about the article.

That is simply because the article has extremely little information.

Though, it should be pointed out that the YOU presented the article in YOUR Opening Post....

 

[Rival]

You think every death is the same? Getting your head chopped off compared to peacefully die with your family.

Are you serious?

Yes, because it's all dying.

 

[Madsaac]

Its your biased projection. I never mentioned anything about the article.

Sorry for the misunderstanding but it seems that you did, you opened the thread with it.

"I'm an advocate of euthanasia, but this doesn't sound right as I've never heard of any incurable mental illness aside from mental retardation or some other issue involving a person's brain where their behavior is severely compromised.

For me this is suicide and not euthanasia , but I also feel if a person wants to end their life, it's their business when all is said and done. Still , I feel this is a really bad decision and I hope , if true, this gets averted."

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Any clinician, doctor or therapist who recommends suicide to a mentally ill patient should be fired and imprisoned.

I agree. The law in the Netherlands agrees also.

Are you pretending that that is what happened in the case mentioned in the OP?

The end, really. In a healthy society, this stuff isn't debated because healthy societies don't produce these sort of sociopathic issues.

Indeed, they don't.

This is a collapse of society sort of issue. It reveals our total moral bankruptcy and callousness.

So it's a good thing that it's not happening in the Netherlands then...

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I'm not saying that doctors should lie; I'm saying that the very statement that a patient's mental health will never get better is quite literally impossible to ascertain given the gaps in our current knowledge about mental illness, the brain, and the connection between both. There is not a single person on Earth, be they a doctor or otherwise, who can currently declare such a prognosis with certainty.

You can say that about any condition.
Like cancer also. There's always that chance of natural remission as well.

Moreover, health care professionals will always be rather careful with their language also.
They rarely will say such thing as a matter of fact.
Instead, they'll nuance it with things like "to the best of my knowledge..." and "with the evidence at my disposal..." etc.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I haven't done any of these things of course and neither have you. I just by default oppose doctors killing their patients that would otherwise live a normal lifespan and you apparently don't. I'm curious though, how would you react if this woman were your own family member or someone you loved and cared about? Would you say the same thing? Are her friends and family encouraging this?

Her mom and boyfriend support her decision, yes.
I can't speak for the other people in her life because I couldn't find any interviews with them.

If they are, to me it would make sense that they get charged and put in prison. There was a case where a woman convinced her depressed boyfriend to take his own life and she (justifiably) got sent to prison.

And under the netherlands law, that is indeed what would happen.
But it's a whole other story if nobody is convincing the patient or suggesting the patient to kill herself and the euthanasia decision is 110% her own, which was well thought over and a wish that persists over time.

Nobody "convinced" her to do this. Nobody "suggested" to her to do this.
It was entirely her own wish. Her mom tried to talk her out of it but failed and eventually respected her wish and was at peace with it. A very hard thing to do, mind you.

People who actively encourage suicide are the absolute scum of the earth

And such people are not part of the case in the OP.

and one of the worst types of degenerate imaginable and probably one of the main reasons that suicide occurs in the first place.

None of this applies to the case in the OP.