Jésus to save all the sin?

[alishan]

hi

i would like to know if i love jésus and i kill steal and rape people will he save me?

who decide what kind of sin will be possible to do to be saved by jésus? how can we know?

because normally you should say "Jésus was on the cross to save all the sin of the world except..."

 

[Bob Dixon]

If you truly loved Jesus, you would never kill, steal, and rape people. Doing those actions means you don't love God and you don't love Jesus as you should.

 

[Renji]

If you are willing to follow Christ and change all of your wicked ways, like those you have mentioned, then you will be forgiven. But if you "accept" Christ and doesn't change, that will not work. Also, as Bob said, if you truly love Him, you will NEVER do anything that offends God and your neighbor.

 

[alishan]

one thing i dont understand the christian of nowadays dont follow the jewish law and have fun in life (they have good behavior with people no kill or steal in general)

i mean they really become attached to this life, the idea is that Jésus say "God love the life you can have fun and pray at the same time , i will save you and give you the paradise freely"

but why do the apostle , and the first christian didn't have the same vision althought they knew Jésus far better than the christian of nowaday? they vision was very ascétic and if a christian had to follow this kind of path (which is the real) i think nobody would become christian nowadays.

most of conversion to christianity is due to the fact that there are nothing really forbidden except violent sins.

so why the first christian didn't have the same vision and behavior?

thanks

 

[alishan]

i mean the first christian said "you have to act to have the paradise"
and the modern christian say "no need of acting just love jésus"

why this opposition?

 

[peacecrusader888]

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@alishan

You are correct in your observation about many who call themselves Christians.

Who are those who are born again? They are those who do not recognize the true God, those who do not know or have any knowledge of anything about the true God, who return to the true God and have a living faith. Those who do not have faith before and have faith in the true God now were dead and now alive or born again.

If we would like to go to the Father in Heaven, we have to follow the commandments of Jesus Christ. Jesus said in John 14:6, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

Jesus did NOT say what you stated, “God love the life you can have fun and pray at the same time , i will save you and give you the paradise freely”. Tell me where this can be found.

Do you know what the Devil offers? The world and its pleasures. Who looks for our downfall? We, ourselves. Does God tell us to take drugs, do binge drinking, have sex with anyone?

I would like you to support your claim that “most of conversion to christianity is due to the fact that there are nothing really forbidden except violent sins”.

Do you know that this world is where we are tested? That this is a sieve? A strainer? To be accepted to the kingdom of God, we have to be sinless, even a tiny speck of uncleanliness. We have to be perfect like Jesus Christ.

Those who do not believe in Him are outrightly rejected and will be thrown to Hell.

That is why the true God said in Revelation 3:15-16, “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor not, I will spew thee out of my mouth.”

 

[alishan]

I would like you to support your claim that “most of conversion to christianity is due to the fact that there are nothing really forbidden except violent sins”.

just see christian people life,all my family is christian , see your christian neighboor , see the christian rock concert , see the day for the christian youth ,

one question who follow the jewish today among the christian?

many chinese people convert in christianity , i have heard one saying " i was bouddhist , when you are bouddhist when you make a good act you get closer to the bouddha s state and when you make a sin you get far, i had no insurance (not sure) to have the paradis with this teaching, so with jésus he gives me the paradise freely , why should i be so silly not to accept?"

and "JESUS SACRIFIED ON THE CROSS FOR THE SIN OF HUMANITY" Is the basis doctrine of modern christianity
not of Jésus of course.

are you christian? very surprise that you dont know that christian people make sin and at the same time pray and love jésus.

 

[alishan]

who follow the jewish law among the chritian?

 

[peacecrusader888]

who follow the jewish law among the chritian?

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@alishan

Are you a Jew? Do you believe that you can go to Heaven by not believing in Jesus Christ?

Why do Christians use the Old Testament or the Hebrew Bible? Mainly because the prophesy about the coming Messiah is stated there. So the miraculous birth of Jesus prophesied in the Old Testament has been fulfilled in the New Testament.

This is what Jesus said in Matthew 21:43-44: “Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.”

Who is the cornerstone rejected? It is Jesus Christ. From whom is the kingdom of God taken? From the Jews. To which nation is it be given? Believe it or not, to the Philippines.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Of all the contributers to this thread only one is a declared Christian in their profile.

This is a CHRISTIAN Dir.

 

[Bob Dixon]

who follow the jewish law among the chritian?

There are several groups who follow the Jewish Law and are still Christian (they believe that Jesus is the Christ). Notable are the Messianic Jews, Ebionites, and a few others.

And I totally agree with you. Jesus himself says that to enter the Kingdom of God, you have to do good, not just believe good. He says that people will be judged according to what they have done.

At the same time, however, Jewish Law only applies to people who are actually Jewish. I find that, to be Christian, a Jewish viewpoint can help, since this is the religion Jesus was preaching. But, because I'm not actually a Jew, I don't need to follow the Jewish Law, and I think Jews are in agreement with me on this.

 

[alishan]

yes bob dixon you are right

but after Jésus death Jack and other apostle made a council about the non jew law so you should research about it

 

[Bob Dixon]

yes bob dixon you are right

but after Jésus death Jack and other apostle made a council about the non jew law so you should research about it

There's not apostle called Jack.

But it was decided by the apostles that it IS possible to be Christian without being Jewish, so it is possible to follow Jesus, but not to follow the Jewish Law. This is logical, of course.

 

[alishan]

i mean after jesus death a council between paul and other apostle

the jerusalem council , you didn't hear about it?

Council of Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JacobEzra.]

hi

i would like to know if i love jésus and i kill steal and rape people will he save me?

who decide what kind of sin will be possible to do to be saved by jésus? how can we know?

because normally you should say "Jésus was on the cross to save all the sin of the world except..."

No. If you kill, steal and rape people, you will not be saved from Hell fire unless you repent and do penance.

 

[JacobEzra.]

one thing i dont understand the christian of nowadays dont follow the jewish law and have fun in life (they have good behavior with people no kill or steal in general)

i mean they really become attached to this life, the idea is that Jésus say "God love the life you can have fun and pray at the same time , i will save you and give you the paradise freely"

but why do the apostle , and the first christian didn't have the same vision althought they knew Jésus far better than the christian of nowaday? they vision was very ascétic and if a christian had to follow this kind of path (which is the real) i think nobody would become christian nowadays.

most of conversion to christianity is due to the fact that there are nothing really forbidden except violent sins.

so why the first christian didn't have the same vision and behavior?

thanks

I don't think you have taken much time in studying Christianity. Even with Protestants, alot of things are forbidden.

I can honestly only talk about Catholic Christian beliefs. And so I will tell you want we believe.

There are Mortal sins which will cut you off from God and can even lead you to be punished with eternal hell. When commited you are to confess and repent. Such sins that are mortal sins are like Pornography, Masturbation, Adultery, Fornication, Rape, Murder, Suicide, drunkard, Drug use, etc.

There is many things forbidden which alot are seen as "okay" in western society. BUt we are also taught that the world is not something to hate, or is sinful. And life can be fun. I do not see why you would think we are not to have fun. Unless you mean fun as in party and sex, then yeah, we are not suppose to do that.

 

[JacobEzra.]

i mean the first christian said "you have to act to have the paradise"
and the modern christian say "no need of acting just love jésus"

why this opposition?

What do you mean, they said you have to act?

 

[alishan]

And life can be fun. I do not see why you would think we are not to have fun. Unless you mean fun as in party and sex, then yeah, we are not suppose to do that.

do you imagine the apostle and the first christian in a beach playing volley ball, seeing women in swimsuit, going swimming with a liitle swimming trunks

or on saturday going to dance with friends drinking alcohol and on sunday going to the mess ceremony.?

acting it s just see the life of Master eckarth or therese d avila it means ascetism and a lot of acts workshipping God.

 

[JacobEzra.]

do you imagine the apostle and the first christian in a beach playing volley ball, seeing women in swimsuit, going swimming with a liitle swimming trunks

or on saturday going to dance with friends drinking alcohol and on sunday going to the mess ceremony.?

Of course not in regards to the Apostles.

And of course modesty laws were different then. But did regular Christian folks relax and enjoyed life? Yes. No where in the Gospel or Epistles are we told to not have fun with family and friends. As long as its not sinful in nature of what you are doing, you are fine.

In other words, no you wouldn't go party and drink alot of alcohol. But swiming? Sure.

acting it s just see the life of Master eckarth or therese d avila it means ascetism and a lot of acts workshipping God.

Not sure what you mean by acting still, and I am sorry I do not know who Master Eckarth is. But I do know St. Theresa of Avila, and you are right. But see the difference between a faithful lay and a religious member such as a nun or brother or Priest, is that we are called to different things.

While we may go and see friends and watch a movie, Nuns and Monks are saying Benediction and rosary. They were called to a much higher religious service.

 

[alishan]

yes

i understand what you mean

i mean that the message of Jésus is not to be attracted and attached by this life

so of course that we should have fun and iam muslim, we have a lot of fun (laughing and having rest)
but the main goal is after life

and ask to 10 christian people going to the mess on sunday
ask them what do you ask to God 9 will ask " i ask God protect my family and give me health"

it means that most of them their paradise is in this life not for afterlife

my whole family is christian if you make a "hearth machine" that calculate the degree of love for one thing for exemple a man who see a woman and love her, the machine will write the score 100
and if you dont care about it it would write 0

most of christian the score 100 is for family, children , holidays but not for God , God is half half just to protect their paradise that is their sweat life

but i can be wrong