Jail, fines. For using improper pronouns.

[Twilight Hue]

California bill awaiting passage.

I can see maybe a fine levied for professional misconduct, but jail?

Opinion | Jail for nursing home staff who “willfully and repeatedly fail to use a resident’s preferred name or pronouns”?

If this passes into California law, things have gone clearly out of hand with some people.

Want to live in a dystopia Society? That's a good start imo.

 

[YmirGF]

California bill awaiting passage.

I can see maybe a fine levied for professional misconduct, but jail?

Opinion | Jail for nursing home staff who “willfully and repeatedly fail to use a resident’s preferred name or pronouns”?

If this passes into California law, things have gone clearly out of hand with some people.

Want to live in a dystopia Society? That's a good start imo.

I can see how it might be annoying for people but making it a law is going a few steps too far. It is good to hear though that they have all their far more serious problems solved so that they can waste their time of stuff like this. Good to know, really.

 

[SomeRandom]

Okay I'm ambivalent at best about the "pronouns" thing. In such a setting I could see perhaps an employer making a policy around it and subsequent training (if it deems it necessary.) But jail and laws are way beyond the bounds. Like hot damn. That's about as useless as the jaywalking law. At least jaywalking is almost dangerous.

 

[Valjean]

Does this warrant an actual law?
Couldn't the resident just complain to the management and have the reluctant employee spoken to?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Does this warrant an actual law?
Couldn't the resident just complain to the management and have the reluctant employee spoken to?

It's a bill, not a law yet, and @Nowhere Man is misrepresenting it.

If you drill down a bit through the links, you can get to the text of the bill. It would prohibit a range of things, and the worst penalty for an infraction of that range of things is jail time. It doesn't say that the penalty for misusing gender pronouns is jail.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

A question that should be asked is: Was this language about pronouns and using proper names an original part of the bill? Or was it an amendment, and if so, who (and when) was the amendment introduced.

It's a fairly common tactic to try to undermine/make uninforceable/make bill look silly for opponents to introduce such amendments. Then again, it may have been introduced by someone who had personally experienced said behavior by nursing home staff and is (maybe, maybe not) overreacting...

(Not that I care enough in this case to go do any of the necessary research today....)

 

[bobhikes]

California bill awaiting passage.

I can see maybe a fine levied for professional misconduct, but jail?

Opinion | Jail for nursing home staff who “willfully and repeatedly fail to use a resident’s preferred name or pronouns”?

If this passes into California law, things have gone clearly out of hand with some people.

Want to live in a dystopia Society? That's a good start imo.

I have never understood this one. In general I answer to everything but curses. I hate Bobby but women seem to like to use that name so I respond to it. I hate sir but people love to use this one too. There are a few people that know me only as Speedy(a popular childhood nickname) and when I did boy scouts I was MR B. My last name being mispronounced and misspelled all the time so I generally don't use it. I have never thought to file a court case against people using names that I didn't like or were not correct.

 

[Revoltingest]

California bill awaiting passage.

I can see maybe a fine levied for professional misconduct, but jail?

Opinion | Jail for nursing home staff who “willfully and repeatedly fail to use a resident’s preferred name or pronouns”?

If this passes into California law, things have gone clearly out of hand with some people.

Want to live in a dystopia Society? That's a good start imo.

Actually, speech by licensed professionals has long been regulated such that saying the wrong thing
is a crime. I've been thru this as a real estate broker...one must carefully watch what one & one's
staff say. But the sanctions have always been primarily about money. The most severe punishment
had been to re-take the agent's licensing course. (And they require that you stay awake during it!)
But jail time? I wanna invoke Godwin's Law!

 

[Laika]

But jail time? I wanna invoke Godwin's Law!

In North Korea journalists get sent to jail if they make a typo in news articles.

...that should forestall Godwin's law for a bit.

 

[blü 2]

It's an LGBT thing.

So you should use pronouns appropriate to the other person's gender identity, not to their genitals at birth.

And I can't think of a better way to get people to do this courteously and without mockery or resentment than belting them with chunky fines if they get it wrong, or chucking them in jail at enormous cost to the state and disruption to everyone's lives.

But leave it with me. I may think of something.

 

[Revoltingest]

In North Korea journalists get sent to jail if they make a typo in news articles.

...that should forestall Godwin's law for a bit.

Of course, one must be careful whose name one misspells.
Had the election turned out differently, I might've ditched "Hilda".

 

[icehorse]

California bill awaiting passage.

I can see maybe a fine levied for professional misconduct, but jail?

Opinion | Jail for nursing home staff who “willfully and repeatedly fail to use a resident’s preferred name or pronouns”?

If this passes into California law, things have gone clearly out of hand with some people.

Want to live in a dystopia Society? That's a good start imo.

A similar bill came up in Canada recently, and the general response on RF was "nothing to worry about". But I think that fundamental rights like free speech get removed in tiny, incremental steps like this one. I think we need to call out even these little incursions, and stop them in their tracks.

 

[Regolith Based Lifeforms]

Dear, Honey, Sweetie, Love, Lovvie, Puffykins, Sqweezykins....
LOVE MUFFINS!
All pronouns, i think.
Come n get me, i live here in CA.
LMAO!
We've been politically correct (thin skinned yellabellies) for a long time now.
As you can probably guess, i have no use for it, but you should call someone by their preferred name.
If the person feels loved and secure, smiles, hugs you, rolls their face over into your tiddy and gives you a puffykiss, then you're doing just fine for any NON-professional setting.

Existing professional standards of conduct are there for good reasons and they should be upheld and preserved.
It keeps everyone ...Safe.

 

[David1967]

I can see how it might be annoying for people but making it a law is going a few steps too far. It is good to hear though that they have all their far more serious problems solved so that they can waste their time of stuff like this. Good to know, really.

Wasting time on crap like this is precisely why they haven't solved their many actual problems. Priorities folks.

 

[YmirGF]

Wasting time on crap like this is precisely why they haven't solved their many actual problems. Priorities folks.

I realize that this is simply a proposed law but the mere idea that some would think it is reasonable to be able to report such matters to the police is a gross misuse of police resources. The members who brought this forward should be censured for wasting everyone's time.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I realize that this is simply a proposed law but the mere idea that some would think it is reasonable to be able to report such matters to the police is a gross misuse of police resources. The members who brought this forward should be censured for wasting everyone's time.

Sad part is it's already been passed by the California state senate.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A similar bill came up in Canada recently, and the general response on RF was "nothing to worry about". But I think that fundamental rights like free speech get removed in tiny, incremental steps like this one. I think we need to call out even these little incursions, and stop them in their tracks.

That is because, literally, NOTHING came out of it. Even your own example in that thread went on about he was going to be a martyr over such things, and it NEVER HAPPENED!

 

[icehorse]

That is because, literally, NOTHING came out of it. Even your own example in that thread went on about he was going to be a martyr over such things, and it NEVER HAPPENED!

The door has been opened, and those who want to gain control of speech can play the long game.

The time to defend our liberties is before they get reduced, not after.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It's a bill, not a law yet, and @Nowhere Man is misrepresenting it.

Well, at least I'm not the only one misrepresenting it.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/08/...poses-jail-time-for-misusing-gender-pronouns/


California Bill: 1 Year in Jail for Using Wrong Transgender Pronoun - Breitbart

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The door has been opened, and those who want to gain control of speech can play the long game.

The time to defend our liberties is before they get reduced, not after.

Except people are screaming and worried such jail times and fines are going to happen, but they haven't. People are also worried about men dressing as women to sneak into the women's restroom with malicious intent, and of course give the green light to homosexuals and transgenders to do their wicked vileness, but it's not happening.