JD Vance - A Gift To Biden

[Revoltingest]

J.D. Vance Worried Trump Was 'America's Hitler' in Text Shared by Roommate

In the message, the Senate hopeful allegedly wrote that the GOP "has only itself to blame" for Trump's rise.

www.newsweek.com

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/politics/kfile-jd-vance-comments-trump/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/15/jd-vance-trump-criticism/

I can see it now.....
Biden's campaign ads will mostly be clips about
Vance's earlier candid opinions about Trump.
"America's Hitler"
"Cynical *** hole"
"Cultural heroin"
"Moral disaster"
Vance can try to explain away his comments.
But there's no way that he won't look like a lying flip
flopper willing to lick Trump's boots to be Vice President.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

J.D. Vance Worried Trump Was 'America's Hitler' in Text Shared by Roommate

In the message, the Senate hopeful allegedly wrote that the GOP "has only itself to blame" for Trump's rise.

www.newsweek.com

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/politics/kfile-jd-vance-comments-trump/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/15/jd-vance-trump-criticism/

I can see it now.....
Biden's campaign ads will mostly be clips about
Vance's earlier candid opinions about Trump.
"America's Hitler"
"Cynical *** hole"
"Cultural heroin"
"Moral disaster"
Vance can try to explain away his comments.
But there's no way that he won't look like a lying flip
flopper willing to lick Trump's boots to be Vice President.

Vance seemed to change his mind in 2021. He did not change his mind to be vice president, that would have been really unlikely. The majority of Trump voters have changed their minds about him. I don't think this will be an issue. He may come across as more genuine and thoughtful. We will see.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Vance seemed to change his mind in 2021. He did not change his mind to be vice president, that would have been really unlikely. The majority of Trump voters have changed their minds about him. I don't think this will be an issue. He may come across as more genuine and thoughtful. We will see.

I think it's very likely that he "changed his mind to be vice president." People will do just about anything for power, as we've seen with the countless Trump sycophants he's thrown under the bus over the years.

 

[Revoltingest]

Vance seemed to change his mind in 2021. He did not change his mind to be vice president, that would have been really unlikely.

However, Vance would've seen that Trump retained
tremendous political power after his loss to Biden.
He began supporting the stolen election conspiracy
with false & unevidenced claims.

Vance's conversion to Trump acolyte appears false.
- Trump's faults that Vance earlier so vehemently
criticized didn't just go away.
- Vance didn't start supporting the stolen election
until after 2020. when it became clearer that Trump
had a shot at the 2024 election.
- Vance began lying & making up factoids towards
this end, eg, the claim that Mark Zuckerberg spent
$420 million “buying up local boards of elections in
battleground states of mostly Democratic areas” to
“tilt” the vote in Biden’s favor.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think it's very likely that he "changed his mind to be vice president." People will do just about anything for power, as we've seen with the countless Trump sycophants he's thrown under the bus over the years.

True believers, the Magas, won't care that Vance
is corrupt. Supporting Trump is what matters.
But Vance is vulnerable regarding voters who are
on the fence. His dishonesty & lust for power
could be a big problem.

The ads could be simple....
Post a picture of Trump.
Post quotes from Vance underneath.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I think it's very likely that he "changed his mind to be vice president." People will do just about anything for power, as we've seen with the countless Trump sycophants he's thrown under the bus over the years.

So you think he had a 3 year plan to go from opponent to vice president? Sounds like a guy that gets things done. It doesn't matter who he picked the dems would have the same reaction. I cannot wait for the VP debate.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

However, Vance would've seen that Trump retained
tremendous political power after his loss to Biden.
He began supporting the stolen election conspiracy
with false & unevidenced claims.

Vance's conversion to Trump acolyte appears false.
- Trump's faults that Vance earlier so vehemently
criticized didn't just go away.
- Vance didn't start supporting the stolen election
until after 2020. when it became clearer that Trump
had a shot at the 2024 election.
- Vance began lying & making up factoids towards
this end, eg, the claim that Mark Zuckerberg spent
$420 million “buying up local boards of elections in
battleground states of mostly Democratic areas” to
“tilt” the vote in Biden’s favor.

Ok, if that is the evidence that convinces you.

 

[Tomef]

J.D. Vance Worried Trump Was 'America's Hitler' in Text Shared by Roommate

In the message, the Senate hopeful allegedly wrote that the GOP "has only itself to blame" for Trump's rise.

www.newsweek.com

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/politics/kfile-jd-vance-comments-trump/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/15/jd-vance-trump-criticism/

I can see it now.....
Biden's campaign ads will mostly be clips about
Vance's earlier candid opinions about Trump.
"America's Hitler"
"Cynical *** hole"
"Cultural heroin"
"Moral disaster"
Vance can try to explain away his comments.
But there's no way that he won't look like a lying flip
flopper willing to lick Trump's boots to be Vice President.

Trump voters don’t care about that kind of stuff.

 

[Revoltingest]

So you think he had a 3 year plan to go from opponent to vice president?

It was a plan to gain political power in a party
dominated by Trump & his Magas. Whether this
would lead to VP or even the presidency, the
gaining of such power would be useful.

Sounds like a guy that gets things done. It doesn't matter who he picked the dems would have the same reaction.

You really don't think it's significant that Vance
was the anti-Trump candidate...the guy who
described Trump as "America's Hitler" is any
different from other Republicans?

 

[Revoltingest]

Ok, if that is the evidence that convinces you.

OK, if you ignore that evidence to adopt
Vance as a loyal Trump minion.
Really...you've no skepticism of Vance's
sincerity & honesty?

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump voters don’t care about that kind of stuff.

They're not so much about character & values.
The Republican Party is now a cult of personality.
They favor the man, Trump...no matter what he
actually does.
Democrats aren't much better. They support
their party....which simply has no inspiring
central figure. Biden is just a flawed uninspiring
default candidate.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You really don't think it's significant that Vance
was the anti-Trump candidate...the guy who
described Trump as "America's Hitler" is any
different from other Republicans?

So if he picked Viveck or Youngkin or Stefanik etc. you would have liked that pick? Any pick he would have made the dems would trash them.

 

[SkepticThinker]

True believers, the Magas, won't care that Vance
is corrupt. Supporting Trump is what matters.
But Vance is vulnerable regarding voters who are
on the fence. His dishonesty & lust for power
could be a big problem.

The ads could be simple....
Post a picture of Trump.
Post quotes from Vance underneath.

The ads almost write themselves.

 

[Revoltingest]

So if he picked Viveck or Youngkin or Stefanik etc. you would have liked that pick?

It's not for me to support a VP candidate
in a party I don't belong to, nor plan to
vote for.
Besides, I like Vance being picked for VP.
This creates a new vulnerability for Trump.

Any pick he would have made the dems would trash them.

That's just politics.
Pubs will trash any Dem VP.
Dems will trash any Pub VP.
You're ignoring my issue with Vance's appearance
of being a corrupt convert to Trump supporter.

Your argument appears to be.....
Criticism of Vance is baseless!
Because they'll hate anyone Trump picks!

Pretty lame, eh.

 

[sun rise]

Vance's conversion to Trump acolyte appears false.

That's a polite way of putting it.

The ads could be simple....
Post a picture of Trump.
Post quotes from Vance underneath.

I hope to see such ads.

The true believer, MAGA types, don't care. There are those on the fence who are the target and can flip the election one way or the other.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

OK, if you ignore that evidence to adopt
Vance as a loyal Trump minion.
Really...you've no skepticism of Vance's
sincerity & honesty?

Why would I, he has been a solid supporter for a couple years now and has always been a solid conservative as far as I can tell. Have you never changed your mind about a candidate? Your choice of words such as minion shows your bias anyway. As a Trump supporter and conservative I see no problem with this pick. I was thinking Tim Scott was going to be his pick.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

It's not for me to support a VP candidate
in a party I don't belong to, nor plan to
vote for.
Besides, I like Vance being picked for VP.
This creates a new vulnerability for Trump.

That's just politics.
Pubs will trash any Dem VP.
Dems will trash any Pub VP.
You're ignoring my issue with Vance's appearance
of being a corrupt convert to Trump supporter.

I agree, so why should I take your criticism as anything but political opposition.

 

[Revoltingest]

Why would I, he has been a solid supporter for a couple years now....

Well then, 2 years of feting Trump must mean
that he's sincere. As Trump's worst traits became
more & more evident, Vance became more & more
a supporter....that bespeaks insincerity.

...and has always been a solid conservative as far as I can tell.

A solid conservative who's willing to
subvert his own beliefs to seek power.

Have you never changed your mind about a candidate?

Yes.
After seeing Trump in office, I realized
that he was horribly corrupt, & held
values I oppose....more so than even
Genocide Joe.
But I never praised or even supported
Trump. So there was no reversal of any
earlier views.

Your choice of words such as minion shows your bias anyway.

"Minion" is the perfect word for one who
serves loyally, & is even willing to debase
himself by rejecting his real beliefs.

As a Trump supporter and conservative I see no problem with this pick. I was thinking Tim Scott was going to be his pick.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree, so why should I take your criticism as anything but political opposition.

Because I give a reasoned argument.
And once again, note that I don't
oppose Vance as running mate.

Turning the tables....
Why should I take your support for Trump
& Vance as anything but blind devotion to
a cult leader, eh?

 

[Magic Man]

They're not so much about character & values.
The Republican Party is now a cult of personality.
They favor the man, Trump...no matter what he
actually does.
Democrats aren't much better. They support
their party....which simply has no inspiring
central figure. Biden is just a flawed uninspiring
default candidate.

Biden has actually been a pretty good president. He has his flaws, obviously his age being the big one. And he's not an energizing, inspiring type, but his actual work as president has been pretty good.

I think the problem is that there's only one sane party to support right now (that's at all viable). Even if I disagree with a lot of the democratic platform, even if you think Biden hasn't done a good job, the only other option could be truly disastrous for the country (and world). It's the general problem with having only two viable parties, but magnified with how far down republicans have gone.

Of course some democrats will support the party no matter what, but it's hard to get an accurate read on how many of them are like that and how many would vote differently, if they had other options.