Jeffrey "Shorteyes" Epstein Injured

[The Reverend Bob]

Because of the constitutional prohibition against cruel & unusual punishment.

Just because there is a prohibition against cruel and unusually punishment doesn't mean child predator deserve special privileges. It is prison.

 

[Revoltingest]

Just because there is a prohibition against cruel and unusually punishment doesn't mean child predator deserve special privileges.

It does mean that if the prison imposes or even tacitly approves of such punishment.
We must agree to disagree on this.

But your view is popular here, & would explain why the public
isn't outraged by prisons allowing so much violence.
My sister, an avowed feminist, approved of prisoner on prisoner
rape (male only) because men deserve to know what it's like.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

It does mean that if the prison imposes or even tacitly approves of such punishment.
We must agree to disagree on this.

But your view is popular here, & would explain why the public
isn't outraged by prisons allowing so much violence.
My sister, an avowed feminist, approved of prisoner on prisoner
rape (male only) because men deserve to know what it's like.

One more thing. If you give one class on prisoner special privileges shouldn't you extend special privileges to all prisoners in order to fulfill the principles of the 14th amendments Equal Protection Clause?

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

You see extending special protections to some prisoners while denying those protections to the rest does violate the Constitution.

Just like I said it does.

 

[Revoltingest]

One more thing. If you give one class on prisoner special privileges shouldn't you extend special privileges to all prisoners in order to fulfill the principles of the 14th amendments Equal Protection Clause?

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

You see extending special protections to some prisoners while denying those protections to the rest does violate the Constitution.

If prisons were made generally safer, so that one could expect punishment
meted out exactly as ordered by the court, this wouldn't involve special privileges.
But "equal protection" would be best meant to impose no exceptional or
unreasonable risk of injury or death upon a prisoner. A reasonable person
would recognize that some prisoners are at greater risk than others, so the
equal protection would in some cases mean different treatment, eg, segregating
violent prisoners from vulnerable ones. This is already common practice,
albeit inadequate IMO.

Our legal system already recognizes the cromulence of unequal treatment
in order to effect "more equal" results, eg, adjusting grades or test scores
to account for disadvantaged background when admitting students to state
universities.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

If prisons were made generally safer, so that one could expect punishment
meted out exactly as ordered by the court, this wouldn't involve special privileges.
But "equal protection" would be best meant to impose no exceptional or
unreasonable risk of injury or death upon a prisoner. A reasonable person
would recognize that some prisoners are at greater risk than others, so the
equal protection would in some cases mean different treatment, eg, segregating
violent prisoners from vulnerable ones. This is already common practice,
albeit inadequate IMO.

Our legal system already recognizes the cromulence of unequal treatment
in order to effect "more equal" results, eg, adjusting grades or test scores
to account for disadvantaged background when admitting students to state
universities.

All prisoners are at risk. You put people in a situation like prison you put them at risk of violence. Every single prisoner is at risk.

 

[Revoltingest]

All prisoners are at risk.

Are you claiming that if everyone is at some level of risk,
that this justifies placing some at far greater risk?

You put people in a situation like prison you put them at risk of violence.

Are you claiming that whatever happens to
them is acceptable...perhaps even just?

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Are you claiming that if everyone is at some level of risk,
that this justifies placing some at far greater risk?

Are you claiming that whatever happens to
them is acceptable...perhaps even just?

Violence is violence. If you are going to protect one class of prisoner from it, then all things being equal you should protect all prisoners from violence

 

[Revoltingest]

If you are going to protect one class of prisoner from it, then all things being equal you should protect all prisoners from violence

Agreed.

 

[dianaiad]

There is no “out” for Epstein, nor should there be. If he gives information that is great. But he needs to be locked up for the rest of his life.

I agree.

I am against the death penalty, myself. Not because I'm merciful; quite the opposite. I oppose the death penalty because:

costs more to execute someone in the USA than to keep him fed.
SOMETIMES...not often, mind you, but once in awhile...the guy really didn't 'do it.' Once he is executed, the state can't really 'take it back.'

The final reason, and the most important one for me, is that death is too good; too simple. It lets the perpetrator 'off.' Put him/her in a concrete 'cage,' alone if possible, feed him, give her excellent medical care, and just keep her away from society..and pretty much everybody else... for the rest of his life. That's it. I can't imagine a worse fate for myself, frankly.

No, I'm for 'life in prison' for this sort of criminal (murderers, rapists, child abusers). I want them caged for the rest of their, hopefully, very long lives. With absolutely nothing to do except breathe.

 

[Mock Turtle]

There are so many in the UK, they put them in a separate wing (being a more civilised country), but no doubt there are still hierarchies, so violence against any deemed the worst will likely happen. I'm still waiting for all the musicians from the 1970s and 80s to be thrown to the wolves for all the underage groupies that seemed to be part of their way of life. Not hard to find on the internet.

 

[SugarOcean]

Jeffrey Epstein's long July continues: Accused child sex trafficker set to return to court after injury in jail

An alleged sex trafficker and pedophile becomes a Trump scandal. Only in left wing media.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

All prisoners are at risk. You put people in a situation like prison you put them at risk of violence. Every single prisoner is at risk.

That's a problem with prisons, not a desirable outcome or justification.