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Jehovah's Witnesses and Disfellowshipping

Bangbang

Active Member
Check this out.....any comments?

Jehovah's Witnesses And Disfellowshiping

Jehovah's Witnesses practice disfellowshiping, not only for unrepentant sinners, but also for a number of other reasons. Since 1973, for instance, a member who smokes is subject to disfellowshiping. So would be those who work directly in defense departments or the military, or who are employed by any kind of religious organization. Walking into a church could merit this penalty, as could taking a blood transfusion, saluting the flag (or any act of patriotism), celebrating holidays, talking to a disfellowshiped person (including relatives), disagreeing with ANY doctrinal points, and the list of punishable offenses grows greater each year.

It was not always so legalistic in the Watchtower. Like many religious movements, grace abounds in the beginning; but as they get more structured, rules and regulations take the place of grace and mercy. Note this early statement by the Watchtower:

We would not refuse to treat one as a brother because he did not believe the Society is the Lord's channel. If others see it in a different way, that is their privilege. There should be full liberty of conscience. WT April 1, 1920, p. 100, 101. It didn't take long, however, for the "persecuted" to become the persecutors. By 1930, those who disagreed with President Rutherford were classed as "evil slaves" and were classed with the "man of perdition," to be destroyed. (WT 1930, p. 275-281)

In 1952, a distinct disfellowshiping policy was laid out. Witnesses were not to even say a greeting to disfellowshiped ones. The March 1, 1952 Watchtower said, "Those who are acquainted with the situation in the congregation should never say 'Hello' or 'Goodbye' to him. He is not welcome in our midst, we avoid him." (p. 141)

By 1955, associating with a disfellowshiped person was grounds for disfellowshiping for a JW. (WT 1955, p. 607.)

In January of 1972 it was declared that homosexuality and bestiality by one's marriage partner were not considered as porneia (fornication), and were therefore not grounds for divorce (Matt. 5:32). If one divorced under such conditions, he would lay himself open to adultery and could be disfellowshiped. (WT Jan. 1, 1972, p. 32.) Yet, by December of the very same year, they had reversed their stand, saying that ALL types of illicit sexual intercourse are grounds for divorce, including the above-mentioned acts. (WT December 15, 1972, p. 767, 768.)

By 1974, the Governing Body entered the bedrooms of their subjects. Standards of conduct were laid out for married couples in bed. Oral or anal sex, or anything classified as a "perversion" or "unnatural practices" in the sex act would subject them to disfellowshiping. (WT November 15, 1974, p. 704. See also WT of 1974 pages 160, 484-486.)

Oddly enough, in April of '74 they had seemingly relaxed the tension towards disfellowshiped persons. In the April l974 WT, for instance, on page 467, they said:

Congregation elders, as well as individual members of a congregation, therefore, ought to guard against developing an attitude approaching that which some Jewish Rabbinical writers fomented towards Gentiles in viewing them as virtual enemies. The gist of the article was that disfellowshiped ones were not to be treated with unnecessary cruelty; especially members of one's family or those in obvious hardship situations. They stated that 'we don't want to be like Pharisees' who walked on the other side of the road when a Gentile was in trouble. (WT Aug. 1, 1974, p. 467.)

With the Feb. 15th issue of 1978, the bedroom rules were now not to be enforced by elders, and publishers were not to be intimidated or spied on any more; although the previously banned practices were still considered unclean. (p. 32)

A reversal of this trend of grace was in store for the '80's, however. With the unrest in the organization over the 1975 debacle, and now the headquarters shakeup in 1980, a hard line was taken in 1981 against any disfellowshiped or disassociated person.

http://www.freeminds.org/psych/disfell.htm
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
Any comments? Yeah. How about, a private organization, such as a church, is free to establish its own rules and requirements for membership. Everyone has their free agency. They can either be part of the organization knowing its rules or decide it's not for them.

I don't see this as a big deal. I think everyone knows by now, bangbang, that you don't like JWs.
 

SoyLeche

meh...
nutshell said:
Any comments? Yeah. How about, a private organization, such as a church, is free to establish its own rules and requirements for membership. Everyone has their free agency. They can either be part of the organization knowing its rules or decide it's not for them.

I don't see this as a big deal. I think everyone knows by now, bangbang, that you don't like JWs.
What??? Bangbang doesn't like the JWs? Whodathunk
 
yer, those witnesses were never always the perfect organisation they are now.

On a side note,
i knew you would come back with another negative post from a negative source, but hey..it's from freeminds.org who ironically seem not at all free, but more...bitter than anything..:)
 

Bangbang

Active Member
nutshell said:
Any comments? Yeah. How about, a private organization, such as a church, is free to establish its own rules and requirements for membership. Everyone has their free agency. They can either be part of the organization knowing its rules or decide it's not for them.

I don't see this as a big deal. I think everyone knows by now, bangbang, that you don't like JWs.
I like compassionate people of any faith. Its the cruel ones that show no mercy and a lack of love that I don't like.
 
Bangbang said:
I like compassionate people of any faith. Its the cruel ones that show no mercy and a lack of love that I don't like.
Get over it, there's always going to be people like that, in any human organisation. Your problem is that you let a person become between you and God....though you probably was that person.
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
Bangbang said:
I like compassionate people of any faith. Its the cruel ones that show no mercy and a lack of love that I don't like.
Well, I don't know what it's like in the JW church, but in the LDS church, disfellowship and excommunication are mostlyacts of love, not cruel punishment. We believe that justice must be served and depending on the severity of the sin sometimes these actions are called for. However, it is a benefit for the sinner. We believe at baptism and in the temple we make sacred covenants with God. Excommunication removes those covenants from that person so that they are no longer living in sin. It gives a person a chance to get back on the straight and narrow and once they've proven they can live the covenants then they may again actually make those covenants and be reinstated as a member.
 

jonny

Well-Known Member
nutshell said:
Well, I don't know what it's like in the JW church, but in the LDS church, disfellowship and excommunication are mostlyacts of love, not cruel punishment. We believe that justice must be served and depending on the severity of the sin sometimes these actions are called for. However, it is a benefit for the sinner. We believe at baptism and in the temple we make sacred covenants with God. Excommunication removes those covenants from that person so that they are no longer living in sin. It gives a person a chance to get back on the straight and narrow and once they've proven they can live the covenants then they may again actually make those covenants and be reinstated as a member.
It's true. I had a calling where I sat in on disiplinary councils and the focus was ALWAYS on what was best for the individiual. They were given every benefit of the doubt - especially if they were repentant.
 

Bangbang

Active Member
SoyLeche said:
What??? Bangbang doesn't like the JWs? Whodathunk
I just think that their organization is no different than any other religion that claims to be the only true religion. It just happens to be one of a few religions that I was associated with for many years and am familiar with.
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Bangbang said:
I just think that their organization is no different than any other religion that claims to be the only true religion. It just happens to be one of a few religions that I was associated with for many years and am familiar with.
I really do hope that's all it is. But people have gotten this impression of you for a reason. Your anti-JW radiates thru my screen and is unproductive.

~Victor
 

jonny

Well-Known Member
Disfellowship does sound like a pretty harsh penalty for many of those things, but as has been said, it is a private organization and can do as it pleases regarding who is and who isn't a member.
 

Bangbang

Active Member
Victor said:
I really do hope that's all it is. But have people have gotten this impression of you for a reason. Your anti-JW radiates thru my screen and is unproductive.

~Victor
I bet the Witnesses wish they could radiate through your screen. Unproductive?....I don't buy that. I think many here would like to know more about the Witnesses. Especailly their history and reasons for their beliefs.
 

SoyLeche

meh...
Bangbang said:
I bet the Witnesses wish they could radiate through your screen. Unproductive?....I don't buy that. I think many here would like to know more about the Witnesses. Especailly their history and reasons for their beliefs.
And yet, hopefully, we are all intelligent enough to know that learning about their beliefs from someone who is antagonistic against them is unproductive.
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
I go to a Pentecostal Church. I choose to worship in a charismatic environment but that's sort of a non issue. At my church, there are no formalities...there are no rules or fear of excommunication...we just worship...and study the Word...

I for one, am not defined my RELIGION. I like being a Pentecostal but it doesn't MAKE or BREAK me...

HE does...

True Religion? I don't think it exsits...I think only a TRUE GOD exists. (Whether you believe Triune or otherwise)

It's all about establishing a personal relationship with him...and you know what...if I screw up...I seek him for forgiveness...HE won't disfellowship me. :) I welcome HIS chastisement...
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
SoyLeche said:
And yet, hopefully, we are all intelligent enough to know that learning about their beliefs from someone who is antagonistic against them is unproductive.
Quite.:rolleyes:
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
It's actually kid of liberating not being bound to your religion but bound instead to your Heavenly Father...
 

nutshell

Well-Known Member
dawny0826 said:
It's actually kid of liberating not being bound to your religion but bound instead to your Heavenly Father...
Interesting. By being bound to my Heavenly Father he has led me to a religion that I feel brings me closer to him by teaching me how to become more like him.

I have NEVER found me religion binding. The commandments we are given are for our spiritual liberation and I happily choose to follow each one.
 
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