Mox
Dr Green Fingers
Quite. This individual doesn't seem to value human rights such as the freedom of religious expression, what a shame.
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Jehovah's Witnesses continuing persecution in Russia....
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Quite. This individual doesn't seem to value human rights such as the freedom of religious expression, what a shame.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
And thus you are dishonest not only to those you tell this to, but to yourselves as well. No one worships the flag, but by disrespecting it as you do (don't bother denying it, I know how your kind uses the word 'idol') you are disrespecting the nation that it represents.
And think of how your vote might have changed those crimes. If you don't vote, then you have zero leg to stand on when you complain about the laws of a land. Just as you can also swear up and down that you're no threat to anyone--but words are wind, and we have no guarantee of you supposed good intentions or nature.
That's a bold claim that you have no real right or information to make. Your church is also a registered "charity", so the Ivory (watch)Tower doesn't pay taxes. (A burden of $368 million for the city of Brooklyn). Oh, and then there's a case from 1980 where your group tried to weasel out of taxes in the amount of $183,000. Then there's cases for embezzling... (that means stealing money). Not quite so honest and upright, it seems.
You'd have more say, if only you voted. So you've no justification to complain about it; see how this works?
Well deeje, I've never failed to pay taxes. I've never embezzled from my jobs. And I actively vote, giving me the civic right to complain when my tax dollars are spent on frivolous bulls**t that I morally and ethically disagree with. So on those counts, I'm ahead of your group.
But, it's easy to point at things that are taken automatically (it's nigh impossible to not pay income and sales tax, unless you serve in the military, but we know how you people feel about that too...) One could even argue that it's a cheap argument to pitch forward "we pay taxes" as though it's a measure of service and benevolence to the American people. How thankful we are of your automatically collected money... And yet you don't vote, you don't serve in the military, you defer authority to your long-dead "king of the Jews"... Cherry on top, all you lot really seem to do is go door-to-door to tell everyone else what we're doing wrong, as though you've got all the great answers in your perpetual state of closed-doors-do-nothingness.
I gave you more than you've given me, deeje, because I vote to maintain the laws that let you spew your nonsense at my door. I value my right to practice my own faith (put under duress by your ilk, so it's funny that you toss this at me,) which is why I vote to maintain it.
What have you done to secure my religious freedom?
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Throw all the stones back that you like (within bounds of forum rules). Some of us don't have doctrine that allows for lying about our actual beliefs to "nonbelievers" like the Watchtower does.
Mox
Dr Green Fingers
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Accuracy counts, so:
Ásatrú, Heathenry, Norse Paganism, and specifically I am a member of The Troth.
Ásatrú, Heathenry, Norse Paganism, and specifically I am a member of The Troth.
Mox
Dr Green Fingers
Utter nationalist claptrap.
The flag is a symbol of a nation. It is not something you venerate if you are a mature intelligent person.
The most patriotic thing you can do, is call out your nation when it commits wrongs against the rule of law or against human rights.
Celebrate your flag burners. Because disobedience is the fountain of liberty.
If you wish to subserviently fawn over a silly parochial symbol then do so, but do not attack others for refusing to be like you...
Audie
Veteran Member
Over reaction much?
No more of a problem than it was for any other organized body of people with children.
another one. Judge and jury are we?
Please get your facts straight. Pedophilia was a huge problem for every orgnization who had access to children...including ours.....why? Because pedophiles don't have a sign tattooed across their foreheads.
They infiltrate by deception. We are very trusting....just the way they like it.
In times past it was handled badly and the judicial process was often more traumatic for the victim than the original offense. We have admitted our mistakes and corrected them.....what more would you like?
I see people with a little bit of knowledge pointing fingers at a very small part of the problem. Apply it where it needs to be applied across all organizations who were involved.
And let the ones without sin point the biggest fingers.....because they are obviously more perfect than the rest of us.
Why address this to me when the whole thing is about you
and yours?
Mox
Dr Green Fingers
You are the one throwing around nasty accusations, as if indeed the pedo problem was limited only to JW. That is simple demonisation. Totally unjustified. Deeje has clearly explained the issue as he/she understands it.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
And nothing in what I said "venerated" it. The flag isn't what's being venerated; it's what the flag represents. Every meaning in every part of that symbol of our nation and what it stands for. One can call our nation and our government out on wrongs committed without, say, burning the flag, or trodding on it, or regarding it as nothing more than cloth. So, while you call that "nationalistic claptrap," I call it disrespecting the symbol and spirit of the very nation that shelters such ungratefulness--and to be clear, it is ungratefulness not because there are grievances to be had. It's not ungrateful to correct a wrong or hold a governing body accountable. But to disrespect what our nation stands for in such a fashion is nothing short of biting the hand that feeds.
I'd sooner see them off, if they cannot stand to take part in what our nation strives to be and would rather burn everything that the flag stands for to ashes. But that defeats freedom of speech, doesn't it? I certainly won't celebrate such asinine temper tantrums, as you tell me to do here.
Tell me, without Google, can you tell what our flag stands for? Is it just acts of Congress and the President to you?
Whew! Good thing I haven't done that. Rather, mox, I have and will continue to criticize parasites on our society and national values, who see fit to lock themselves off from the world with the sole exception of going door-to-door to pester others, condemning what we do without contributing anything in trying to change it in any real and moving fashion, and who (ironically, to your criticism) would see the whole world be just like them before their content to shut up about whatever new version of their beliefs they're pushing on the public next. Our nation - to say nothing of the world - needs informed and active citizens (which means voters, as well) to make any sort of change. Not pulpit-pounding zealots content to pine and fetishizing the end of the world and the destruction of all non-believers when their sky-daddy-god-king comes again in wrath and war.
Mox
Dr Green Fingers
I don't really care to be honest. I have little time for nationalism. Plus I am not American.
Mox
Dr Green Fingers
What does your nation stand for precisely?
Mox
Dr Green Fingers
I don't vote either, not because of any religious inclination or belief. Simply because I don't want to vote for any of the political parties in my nation, they are all totally unsuitable for government and moreover I hate the political system that exists in my nation the UK.
I also despise utterly the current British government and I vehemently oppose the Monarchy.
I do not want to further validate the political process in the UK with my vote, I understand totally how people like Deeje refuse to be a party to it. So I abstain.
One day I might create my own reformist party, until then, I will take no part in domestic politics.
I am sure I would be considered a low level domestic enemy of the United Kingdom, the truth is that I am only an enemy of the government and it's controllers. The people of the UK are my people and always will be. I would never act against them.
I also despise utterly the current British government and I vehemently oppose the Monarchy.
I do not want to further validate the political process in the UK with my vote, I understand totally how people like Deeje refuse to be a party to it. So I abstain.
One day I might create my own reformist party, until then, I will take no part in domestic politics.
I am sure I would be considered a low level domestic enemy of the United Kingdom, the truth is that I am only an enemy of the government and it's controllers. The people of the UK are my people and always will be. I would never act against them.
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Mox
Dr Green Fingers
It's not about courage, it's about diplomacy. I won't name names because you all know who you are.
The intolerance is rife, and if you can't see it, no worries. Never mind.
I am new here, and I don't wish to upset anyone.
I am not throwing stinkbombs in my view, I am just commenting on the thread. I am merely being critical. I believe I have a point...
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Audie
Veteran Member
Care to give an example or two?
Mox
Dr Green Fingers
I can only go by the information available to me.
This thread is full of unnecessary and purile attacks on the faith of another poster, with demonisation and mud slinging galore.
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I can think of several where they lie about the faith of others, just sayin'
Mox
Dr Green Fingers
Well, I like to argue.