One of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved, was reclining next to him. John 13:23
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Jehovah's Witnesses Knocked on My Door
- Thread starter Super Universe
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Why should I not believe him? The other apostles accepted him as a bona fide apostle....just not one of the 12.
He was chosen as "an apostle to the nations". He was the only one of Jesus' apostles to be educated and he was a lawyer. He was also a Roman citizen and all of those things contributed to his successful ministry.
I believe that God's word is God's, and not the prattling of men.....Paul's life course and his faithfulness convince me that he was chosen by Jesus for his unique attributes. His success speaks for itself.
You said that Jesus doesn't speak to people anymore (although he somehow speaks to the JW leadership but whatever) but you accept Paul's claims of Jesus speaking to him??? This is very confusing.
We also believe some miracles occurred in the first century, but are not occurring today....they ended with the death of the Apostles.
Is that confusing?
We accept what the Scriptures say. If the Author of the Bible is the Creator of the universe, then certainly He can control the accuracy of His Book's contents.
Jesus himself, in his illustration of the Master and the talents given to his slaves, said that he'd be gone for a long while.
Take care.
I knew you would say that. It is as though he has a body. It is what the Latter Day Saints believe in.
It is as though Jesus is gone. But, he can't be! Or if he can be, according to you, then he is a liar. I think he isn't a liar, but you might be.
It's been a long time since I posted that so I don't remember specifically what I had in mind. But looking back, the issue was about not accurately quoting the Bible.
There can be many reasons for this that range the gamut from not believing that the scripture is accurate to darker motives. I stopped reading the thread so I don't know if the challenge about inaccurate passages was ever answered.
Yes we do....collectively....like the first Christians.
How is Jesus "with" his disciples? Not physically obviously.
There was a hiatus between the first century and "the time of the end" when the weeds of counterfeit Christianity would flourish....then, at the time of the end, God was going to cleanse his people and remove the stains and refine out the impurities that had infiltrated since the death of the apostles. (Daniel 12:4; 9-10) Right on time, the cleansing began, and the process of identifying and removing those impurities came into focus. Christendom had lost the plot.
Yes....to help them understand what was being taught in the scriptures collectively. This is not talking about breakaway groups or misguided individuals, now is it...?
How could Jesus be "with" every sect or person claiming him as their "Lord"? Seriously. (Matthew 7:21-23)
He commissioned his 'faithful slave' to feed his sheep. (Matthew 24:45) If you feed at the wrong table or decide to feed yourself, then you cannot be 'eating' what the slave provides....you die of either 'food' poisoning or 'malnutrition. Not straight away, but in a slow and lingering spiritual death, alone and lost.
Yes, to help guide them in the greatest preaching campaign the world has ever seen. (Matthew 24:14) What more urgent command did he give them before he left? He told them to "search" for those who are "deserving" or "worthy". (Matthew 10:11-14) What does "searching" require?
What city was that and who was he talking to?
2 John 9-11...."Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. 11 For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
No one was free to interpret scripture for themselves or to promote their own ideas. So I guess we will see who is twisting what....?
No one can come to the son unless the Father draws that person and reveals his truth. (John 6:44) We believe that we have the evidence in our own ranks that what Jesus says is true....since you left, what have you been doing for all these years......?.....all you do here is 'gnash your teeth'....whine....and complain us....But have you ever found a better spiritual home in all that time? Be honest.
God will not change to suit us...it is we who need to change to suit him.
Are you sure about that?
I think that is what is called a "strawman". The scripture just reveals that he CAN BE with me. I don't care what city I am in for him to be with me. But, it's funny.
I am also thinking (is that OK Deeje?) that there are false Christians among you, but you say Jesus is only with your group. That makes him with the false ones too. You do know math. Right?
It is my opinion that Jesus can't be with false ones.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Sarcasm? LOL
I keep reading the title as "Jehovah's Witnesses Kicked In My Door".
I see the K too!
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
That still leaves interpretation to be done......
Jesus appointed a "faithful and discreet slave" to "feed" his entire household their "food at the proper time". This is what Jesus himself said, so this slave exists, and Jesus posed it in a question about the slave's identity. "Who really is" that slave? (Matthew 24:45)
Obviously there would be those claiming to be that slave but would not have the evidence to back up what they claim. One of the reasons (but not the only one) why I became a Witness 45 years ago, was because they were the only ones carrying out the commission of Matthew 28:19-20. Only with Jesus backing up his disciples in this very unnatural activity, could it be carried out consistently by all members of one united global brotherhood for 100 years without wavering. Who else can claim this?
We recognise our Governing Body as that slave. We see that they have fulfilled the assignment given to them like no other organisation on earth. We have no prophets...no miracles.....no claims to infallibility or anything like that. The whole Governing Body are the ones who collectively "feed" their fellow slaves what is needed to keep them spiritually healthy. It is never the product of one man. They feed themselves the same "food".
If these men are not recognised as "your" slave, (or if you see yourself as your own slave) then you are free to believe whatever you like. But your continual bad mouthing of those whom we recognise as appointed by Jesus to do their job, thinking that you somehow know better, is getting old. I have to wonder who it is that you are trying to convince? Have all those disgruntled ex-JW's formed themselves into a cohesive and united body of believers who are carrying out the commission Jesus gave to his disciples before he left the earth? Or do we see them all trying to justify their defection by pointing fingers and whining about everything in connection with us? What positive thing are they doing in compliance with Jesus' direction?
The solution is simple as I see it.....stop whining and just do the work Jesus told us to do.....stop wasting your energy trying to justify your position, and demonstrate that what you believe is true. Show Jesus' backing for what you believe.....can you?....can any of you?
There can be no Christians in isolation, so you have to either find a spiritual home somewhere else that is 'living' what Jesus taught (how has that worked out for you?) or single-handedly carry out what Jesus commanded.
If our slave is not your slave, then find the real one and move on.
Why can't you?
You're right, but if one's interpretation of a passage contradicts other Scriptures, then that interpretation is wrong. The Bible isnt at fault, it's the interpretation that's inaccurate,,,,the Bible itself is completely harmonious.
For a quick example: a person reads 1 Peter 3:7...."Earth..(is)...stored up for fire." So they believe -- and are taught in church -- that the planet Earth will be destroyed.
But then they read Ecclesiastes 1:4...."the Earth abides forever."
Is this a contradiction in the Bible? No, just their understanding.
If you read Genesis 11:1, it says "Now all the Earth was of one language, and one set of words."
Does a planet have a language? No, but people do.
So Earth in the Bible can mean the people on the planet.
That's what Peter meant.
If you're interested (I hope you are), glance over the following info I posted awhile back. It's more in-depth on Peter's words:
"New Heavens and New Earth" - Why Destroy the Old?
Take care.
Actually, they add "Jesus appointed it". It doesn't say that. Now, does it?
The difference between you and me is you do not care if you embarrass yourself. If later I have to read words I wrote, I want them all to be still true words. You know?