Jehovah's Witnesses; Why does the NWT mess with pronouns?

[savagewind]

Acts of the Apostles 1:15
Acts 1:15 During those days Peter stood up in the midst of the brothers (the number* of people was altogether about 120) and said:

They took out the pronoun at Acts 1:15........

Strong's Transliteration Greek English Morphology
2532 [e] Kai Καὶ And
1722 [e] en ἐν in
3588 [e] tais ταῖς the
2250 [e] hēmerais ἡμέραις days
3778 [e] tautais ταύταις these,
450 [e] anastas ἀναστὰς having stood up
4074 [e] Petros Πέτρος Peter
1722 [e] en ἐν in
3319 [e] mesō μέσῳ [the] midst
3588 [e] tōn τῶν of the
80 [e] adelphōn ἀδελφῶν brothers,
3004 [e] eipen εἶπεν· said,
1510 [e] ēn ἦν was
5037 [e] te τε moreover
3793 [e] ochlos ὄχλος [the] number
3686 [e] onomatōn ὀνομάτων of names
1909 [e] epi ἐπὶ together
3588 [e] to τὸ the
846 [e] auto αὐτὸ same, PPro-AN3S
5616 [e] hōsei ὡσεὶ about
1540 [e] hekaton ἑκατὸν a hundred
1501 [e] eikosi εἴκοσι [and] twenty,

........and they put one in at Numbers 11:17

17 I will come down+ and speak with you there,+ and I will take away some of the spirit+ that is on you and place it on them, and they will help you in bearing the burden of the people so that you may not have to bear it alone.+

3381 [e] wə-yā-raḏ-tî, וְיָרַדְתִּ֗י And I will come down Verb
1696 [e] wə-ḏib-bar-tî וְדִבַּרְתִּ֣י and talk Verb
5973 [e] ‘im-mə-ḵā עִמְּךָ֮ with you Prep
8033 [e] šām שָׁם֒ there Adv
680 [e] wə-’ā-ṣal-tî, וְאָצַלְתִּ֗י and I will take Verb
4480 [e] min- מִן־ of Prep
7307 [e] hā-rū-aḥ הָר֛וּחַ the spirit Noun
834 [e] ’ă-šer אֲשֶׁ֥ר that [is] Prt
5921 [e] ‘ā-le-ḵā עָלֶ֖יךָ on you Prep
7760 [e] wə-śam-tî וְשַׂמְתִּ֣י and will put Verb
5921 [e] ‘ă-lê-hem; עֲלֵיהֶ֑ם on them Prep
5375 [e] wə-nā-śə-’ū וְנָשְׂא֤וּ and they shall bear Verb
854 [e] ’it-tə-ḵā אִתְּךָ֙ with you Prep
4853 [e] bə-maś-śā בְּמַשָּׂ֣א the burden Noun
5971 [e] hā-‘ām, הָעָ֔ם of the people Noun
3808 [e] wə-lō- וְלֹא־ and not Adv
5375 [e] ṯiś-śā תִשָּׂ֥א shall bear Verb
859 [e] ’at-tāh אַתָּ֖ה you Pro
905 [e] lə-ḇad-de-ḵā. לְבַדֶּֽךָ׃ alone Noun

So? Why do the Jehovah's Witnesses change pronouns? And why do some @Deeje accuse US of messing with The Word?

 

[savagewind]

Nothing to be concerned about as pronouns are little words. Little like I AM?

 

[savagewind]

The thing is, we are being warned by Jehovah's Witnesses to eat at their table. They call it The Truth table.
They say that if we are not eating with them, it is satan that we eat with. @Deeje really says that. It is an insult, and if one of Jesus sheep should succumb to it, she might be stumbled. What does the Bible really teach about stumbling one of God's sheep? Lucky for them a real sheep can't be stumbled because eventually Jehovah wakes them up who are being misled. (I think that is all I have to say to put this thread back at the top.)

 

[savagewind]

Are they honest mistakes? I'll just say that putting in the pronoun 'it' in Numbers furthers their contention that The Holy Spirit has no intelligence. It is called propaganda. I am sure God does not approve of propaganda even for the most noble of circumstances. Are YOU?

I think they left it out of Acts because someone might ask the governing body what does it mean.

 

[savagewind]

Maybe the right question is; Why is messing with the Bible alright for Jehovah's Witnesses to do, but not right for me?

 

[savagewind]

Jehovah's Witnesses, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Either ALL scripture was written to convey God's own thoughts and the pronouns or lack of pronouns are right in the original manuscripts where they belong, or don't belong, or all scripture isn't God's own thoughts and we can read into them whatever we see makes sense, or it is alright if you do not care to make sense of them.

But it can't be both.

 

[savagewind]

Maybe you do not know that Jehovah's Witnesses preach scripture like this:
""This is what God says and if you do not believe what God says you are an "unbeliever", and you will die in your unbelief."" So they better be right, don't you think?
Ah, but you say belief can't be decided for right or for wrong and you are right!

The problem is that they believe God protects all scripture so what it says is what we must believe to believe God.

Have I not proved the modern version is not the original version?

You need not be a JW to explain to me why changed pronouns are fine and should be believed in. Please.

I don't even care if you don't believe in God, just please explain it to me.

 

[savagewind]

 

[savagewind]

Explain what? Please explain that changing the meaning of scripture is still considered "God's protected word".

Thank you.

 

[savagewind]

By the profound silence I learn that accuracy does not matter.
I suspect that Jehovah's Witnesses believe the destination that they have in mind
is what matters most. To get there they say we must observe and obey God's words
in the Bible, but because it is alright that some words have been changed
observing only the words that matter will get a person what he is after.
They haven't said which words matter and which words don't matter
and how they know.

There is a problem I see in making the Bible about where they are going.
First of all, the fact that it is written God is The I AM means to me that the present is
the most important concern for a follower of Jesus.

Secondly, to be deciding where you are going makes you the shepherd.
HE is the shepherd so HE needs to know the way.
I think we do not need to know the way.
If I knew the way, I would be Jesus.
I am not Jesus. You are not Jesus either fyi.

 

[savagewind]

You are going to walk by the words of God, and that is ok for you.
Teaching other people to walk by your understanding of the words of God
is not ok. The reason why is because some of your understanding
of the words of God are skewed.
For instance, calling The Holy Spirit "it" is not what was ever written.
It is added in to prove that The Holy Spirit does not come with
intelligence.

Let us imagine that the spiritual direction you walk and teach is
physical and add degrees to it.
Imagine that the distance you have to travel is significant.
Do you know a little math? I found a picture for you. Notice that a short distance does not make a great difference where you will end if you were travelling along an axis a little off in degrees.
But please extent the two axes far away like 2000 years distance traveled.
The true destination is somewhere in the middle. If you are on one axis or the other, how will you find your way to the right spot?
My imaginary friend says, "they will pass it".

 

[savagewind]

They are walking by knowledge first and faith second. It is supposed to be the other way around.

The more serious the error, the larger the area becomes to get lost in.

Do you think that to teach that a person must go your way to end up in the right spot
and YOU end up in the wrong spot, God might personally deliver you over to the right spot?

 

[savagewind]

What's the problem for other people who don't advocate walking according to wrongness?

Getting lost for most people causes fear. There is plenty in the World to fear without adding to it. What good is a planet where its people for the most part espouse fear?

It is written, fear God. Is it not obvious that a person who fears God can't really be fearing anything else?

It's a win-win. Fear God and do what is right. What is right is to seek peace.
And for those people whose certainty eliminates the need for God, there will be less fear and more peace.

Am I wrong? Does fear not cause problems?

 

[savagewind]

I am proposing that people who don't care start caring.
Why not?

I suppose the people who don't care tend to think the people who do care are going with them. I suspect the people who don't care are going with the people who do (seem to) care. Sitting here in my sometimes rarely lonely seat I see that nobody cares, which is mighty strange and I don't know why it is funny.

 

[savagewind]

Is it funny because my little friend is Satan or is it Jehovah?

Interesting. This is my hobby.

Psalms 2:4 according to the original.

Translit Hebrew English Morph
3427 [e] yō-wō-šêḇ יוֹשֵׁ֣ב he who sits Verb
8064 [e] baš-šā-ma-yim בַּשָּׁמַ֣יִם in the heavens Noun
7832 [e] yiś-ḥāq; יִשְׂחָ֑ק shall laugh Verb
136 [e] ’ă-ḏō-nāy, אֲ֝דֹנָ֗י the Lord Noun
3932 [e] yil-‘aḡ- יִלְעַג־ shall have them in derision Verb
lā-mōw. לָֽמוֹ׃ to Prep

And..........according to the New World Translation. 4 The One enthroned in the heavens will laugh; Jehovah will scoff at them.

@Deeje. LOL I do love you, but, Jesus Christ saying it is not savagewind who twists scripture.

 

[savagewind]

I suppose I am officially now on the Jehovah's Witness ignore lists. That is no surprise, but I think it is
eerie how most everyone follows their lead.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I suppose I am officially now on the Jehovah's Witness ignore lists. That is no surprise, but I think it is
eerie how most everyone follows their lead.

Well, if you ask me, there is not much of a difference with all Christian translations as Replacement Theology is concerned. The problem with the "Jehovah Witnesses" is that they make no secret at confessing that they have replaced the Jewish People as their relation with God is concerned. Then they quote Isaiah 43:10 without the least caring that Isaiah 43 is talking about Israel the real Jehovah Witnesses. (Isaiah 43:1)

 

[savagewind]

Well, if you ask me, there is not much of a difference with all Christian translations as Replacement Theology is concerned. The problem with the "Jehovah Witnesses" is that they make no secret at confessing that they have replaced the Jewish People as their relation with God is concerned. Then they quote Isaiah 43:10 without the least caring that Isaiah 43 is talking about Israel the real Jehovah Witnesses. (Isaiah 43:1)

I agree with you. There is not much difference between all Christian denominations.
I am not aware of any other Christians who call themselves The Truth and who declare their way is the only way to "seek יְהוָה֙ ......seek righteousness, seek meekness" Zephaniah 2:3
I realize ALL Christian denominations are causing lost souls, but it is the JWs who do it in the Name of The Lord. See the Ten Commandments. Exodus 20:7

 

[Ben Avraham]

I agree with you. There is not much difference between all Christian denominations.
I am not aware of any other Christians who call themselves The Truth and who declare their way is the only way to "seek יְהוָה֙ ......seek righteousness, seek meekness" Zephaniah 2:3
I realize ALL Christian denominations are causing lost souls, but it is the JWs who do it in the Name of The Lord. See the Ten Commandments. Exodus 20:7

Interesting to know! What did they do to the Ten Commandments?

 

[savagewind]

Interesting to know! What did they do to the Ten Commandments?

It is difficult to explain for reasons I am not qualified for, but I'll try.

There is God. God is Creator as described by someone who wrote The Bible.
In the Bible God is called יְהוָה֙.
They say Jehovah is an alright transliteration of יְהוָה֙.
I don't agree with them, but Jehovah is God's common name which they USE to draw people to their way of thinking. To use God's Name for anything is human vanity imho. To use God's Name for one's own purposes is to sin against that commandment.
There is a difference between use and to carry. The Jews are to carry God's Name יְהוָה֙.
I do not trust modern Jews are doing it. I trust the writers of The Bible did it right. They were/are the true witnesses of יְהוָה֙. I believe in Jesus. Jesus means salvation by יְהוָה֙. I believe in that.