Jehovah's Witnesses; Why does the NWT mess with pronouns?

[Ben Avraham]

It is difficult to explain for reasons I am not qualified for, but I'll try.

There is God. God is Creator as described by someone who wrote The Bible.
In the Bible God is called יְהוָה֙.
They say Jehovah is an alright transliteration of יְהוָה֙.
I don't agree with them, but Jehovah is God's common name which they USE to draw people to their way of thinking. To use God's Name for anything is human vanity imho. To use God's Name for one's own purposes is to sin against that commandment.
There is a difference between use and to carry. The Jews are to carry God's Name יְהוָה֙.
I do not trust modern Jews are doing it. I trust the writers of The Bible did it right. They were/are the true witnesses of יְהוָה֙. I believe in Jesus. Jesus means salvation by יְהוָה֙. I
believe in that.

So, you don't trust that modern Jews are doing the job to carry God's name in their lives. That's normal and natural. Many people don't like what is modern; they like the ancient ones. Perhaps this phenomenon is explained by the fact that the ancient ones are gone and what is gone is lost for the chance to be changed. But then again why they don't like the modern ones?
Probably because what is alive constitutes a threat of some sort.

 

[savagewind]

So, you don't trust that modern Jews are doing the job to carry God's name in their lives. That's normal and natural. Many people don't like what is modern; they like the ancient ones. Perhaps this phenomenon is explained by the fact that the ancient ones are gone and what is gone is lost for the chance to be changed. But then again why they don't like the modern ones?
Probably because what is alive constitutes a threat of some sort.

It's not about "carrying God's Name in their lives". It's about carrying God's Name to people who do not know God. God's Name is glorified when Earth's people live in peace.

It seems to me that most Jews are about being in an exclusive club and do not care much for people who aren't Jewish. That is not sharing and it does not foster peace imo.

Changing the subject is a strawman. Isn't it?

The one-sided conversation is about the changes done to "God's Word".

 

[savagewind]

Are the changed words of God the Word of God? I say absolutely not!
They say, yes, and you better believe it.

 

[savagewind]

To reiterate:

The New World Translation Bible says,
Acts 1:15 During those days Peter stood up in the midst of the brothers (the number* of people was altogether about 120) and said:

The Greek says:

and in the days these having stood up Peter in the midst of the brothers said moreover number of names together the SAME [same is the pronoun] about a hundred and twenty

Acts of the Apostles 1:15 Young's Literal Translation
And in these days, Peter having risen up in the midst of the disciples, said, (the multitude also of the names at the same place was, as it were, an hundred and twenty,
Berean Literal Bible
And in these days, Peter having stood up in the midst of the brothers, and thenumber of names was about a hundred twenty together, the same said,

http://biblehub.com/acts/1-15.htm

 

[savagewind]

I do not know that the Hebrew and the Greek versions that exist are accurate or inaccurate. I think they are all we have to go on. I do not consider even perfectly preserved scripture "God's Word". God's words are what God says. Right? I do not trust that everything ever written that is called God's Word was what God said.
I believe what God says can be trusted to work righteousness. I suspect that if you call something God's words but God never said them, it will lead to trouble for you.

I might be warning you to step away from what will lead you into trouble. It is what THEY do, but they do it with counterfeit words. In real life, what they are doing is usually considered a crime. It might be good to stop and ask God for forgiveness.

 

[savagewind]

People using the Bible will criticize others who they believe are wrong until Dooms Day's coming but on the other hand, they praise, honor and obey the book which is in places as wrong as wrong can be.

The angels have to watch it.

I call that torture.

 

[savagewind]

Except that I am not calling a missing pronoun or even an added pronoun a wrong as wrong can be mistake, although one or the other might be.

Words are like signs. Do right, go left, slow down, dangerous curve, STOP, Go, proceed with caution, but to change a sign is to disobey the real sign. AND to change a sign publicly is to cause those coming behind to wander.

 

[savagewind]

So.....pronouns do not matter.........then?..............why did someone put them there?

 

[Neo Deist]

The JWs rewrote the Bible from the KJV in order to justify their beliefs. It is that simple.

None of those selected to work on the NWT were fluent with Hebrew or Greek. Initially the WT tried to keep the "authors" a secret because they knew they would be laughed off the face of the planet, but eventually the word got out. No one outside of the JWs takes them seriously.

 

[savagewind]

The JWs rewrote the Bible from the KJV in order to justify their beliefs. It is that simple.

None of those selected to work on the NWT were fluent with Hebrew or Greek. Initially the WT tried to keep the "authors" a secret because they knew they would be laughed off the face of the planet, but eventually the word got out. No one outside of the JWs takes them seriously.

History is good, but the last part is wrong. Some people DO take them seriously.

By the way, other Bibles have it wrong too. And those Bible people others take VERY seriously. Think Pope.

 

[savagewind]

I identify with deism. I would think that deists are most apt to think that the truth matters. I haven't met a deist that cares much about it though.

 

[savagewind]

What is the truth about pronouns? They were added and subtracted. Does it matter? Seems not.

Does it matter to The Creator that people are messing with pronouns? I think it does.

Pronouns aren't the only thing they mess with.

 

[Neo Deist]

History is good, but the last part is wrong. Some people DO take them seriously.

By the way, other Bibles have it wrong too. And those Bible people others take VERY seriously. Think Pope.

I was referring to the authors of the NWT.

 

[savagewind]

I was referring to the authors of the NWT.

I know what you were referring to. There are many non-Jehovah's Witnesses who take the New World Translation Bible seriously. We have at least one on line here.

 

[Neo Deist]

I know what you were referring to. There are many non-Jehovah's Witnesses who take the New World Translation Bible seriously. We have at least one on line here.

Yes, some still have blinders on.

 

[Ben Avraham]

What is the truth about pronouns? They were added and subtracted. Does it matter? Seems not.

Does it matter to The Creator that people are messing with pronouns? I think it does.

Pronouns aren't the only thing they mess with.

No, it matters nothing to the Creator the way we live our lives as long as we do all for the well-being of each other.

 

[Ben Avraham]

The JWs rewrote the Bible from the KJV in order to justify their beliefs. It is that simple.

None of those selected to work on the NWT were fluent with Hebrew or Greek. Initially the WT tried to keep the "authors" a secret because they knew they would be laughed off the face of the planet, but eventually the word got out. No one outside of the JWs takes them seriously.

That's not new. The so-called "Messianic Jews" are involved in the translation of a new Bible where in the Tanach every reference to Jesus according to their preconceived notions will be identified by name as being Jesus. In the beginning, it will be just an unpleasant surprise but with time and the new generations, conversions will be rampant as a result of Jesus being identified in the Tanach and fulfilled in the NT. I don't know if you guys have noticed, they are
asking readers to apply for a free Bible while the work is still in process. I have applied for one to satisfy my curiosity.

 

[Ben Avraham]

It's not about "carrying God's Name in their lives". It's about carrying God's Name to people who do not know God. God's Name is glorified when Earth's people live in peace.

It seems to me that most Jews are about being in an exclusive club and do not care much for people who aren't Jewish. That is not sharing and it does not foster peace imo.

Changing the subject is a strawman. Isn't it?

The one-sided conversation is about the changes done to "God's Word".

The opposite is rather true that the Jewish People is the class of people who statistically have proved the most charitable people in the world. It means that no one gives more to charitable
institutions than Jews. No discriminations applied between Jews and non-Jews. Evidences
abound that Jews give more works to the unemployed than any other people almost in every country in the world.

 

[savagewind]

No, it matters nothing to the Creator the way we live our lives as long as we do all for the well-being of each other.

Right, but teaching something wrong, which I believe the teachings are for the way in which we should walk (just like they think so), is not for the well-being of the ones being taught. I think that would be obvious.

Imagine a chemistry class where the teacher insists on mixing the wrong elements over and over and over again.

 

[savagewind]

The opposite is rather true that the Jewish People is the class of people who statistically have proved the most charitable people in the world. It means that no one gives more to charitable
institutions than Jews. No discriminations applied between Jews and non-Jews. Evidences
abound that Jews give more works to the unemployed than any other people almost in every country in the world.

I do not doubt it. It is still a club that a person like me can't join.