Jerusalem is an Arabic City?

[LuisDantas]

do you believe Jerusalem has always been an Arabic City and will forever be, answer the poll true. If you believe Jerusalem was once a Jewish city and will be again answer false to the poll.

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I voted false, but I want to point out that there are many other choices necessary to cover all possibilities. Jerusalem definitely hasn't "always" been Arabic - if I am not mistaken, the very notion of an Arabic place is far more recent than Jerusalem itself - but I am not sure it makes sense to describe any place as "Jewish" either. Or even Brazilian.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Three major world religions can quote scripture and history to "prove" that Jerusalem belongs to them.

Actually, there's nothing in the New Testament or the Qur'an that says Christians or Muslims should rule over Jerusalem or care about it all that much. Christians just got carried away with the Crusades and then stopped caring. Muslims only care because they invaded centuries ago and view lands they invade as eternally theirs, so this is a great humiliation for them. It's like British people demanding Mumbai.

 

[Muslim-UK]

What? Arabs are one Semitic ethnicity. Jews are another. Jews aren't Arabs.

Arab identity is defined independently of religious identity, and pre-dates the spread of Islam, with historically attested Arab Christian kingdoms and Arab Jewish tribes. Today, however, most Arabs are Muslim, with a minority adhering to other faiths, largely Christianity, but also Druze and Baha'i. Ori Stendel. The Arabs in Israel. Sussex Academic Press. p. 45.

Arabs - Wikipedia

 

[whitemulberries]

Ancient history says otherwise.

Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren (Jewish people), What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

The Jews of old were shepherds & shepherds do not live in towns or cities but instead live in open land to graze their flocks. Only a "small" group of Jews lived in Jerusalem at any one time. Jerusalem was conquered by King David by murdering the inhabitants but even then they represented a small group compared to the rest.

in my view -

Hi,

I am not saying it was always Jewish and always will be, or anything like that, just that it was at one time, same also for the Arabs.

Thanks,

wm

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Arab identity is defined independently of religious identity, and pre-dates the spread of Islam, with historically attested Arab Christian kingdoms and Arab Jewish tribes. Today, however, most Arabs are Muslim, with a minority adhering to other faiths, largely Christianity, but also Druze and Baha'i. Ori Stendel. The Arabs in Israel. Sussex Academic Press. p. 45.

Arabs - Wikipedia

Either ethnic Arabs who converted or ethnic Jews living in Arab lands.

 

[rosends]

I answered false because I don't understand how any city in the world can have an ethnicity. A city is a piece of geography populated (usually) by people. People have ethnicities. Cities also have governments and those are run by and according to rules of (usually) countries or other ruling constructs.

Jerusalem as a city has had a variety of groups of humans who have established the governmental rules over the last few thousand years. Some are people whose ethnicity is connected to the Arab peninsula. Some are people who had ethnic connection to Europe. Some, Africa. Even the question of "ownership" makes little sense to me. Who "owns" a city? Is the question about a title or deed to land? Is it about the legal right to administer rules there by way of governance?

I just don't get how any city can be "Arab" (which is not a religion, a country or anything particularly limiting ethnically as there are Arab Jews and Arab Christians).

 

[Augustus]

What? Arabs are one Semitic ethnicity. Jews are another. Jews aren't Arabs.

Not sure the term 'Semitic' makes much sense when applied to an ethnicity rather than a linguistic group. Jews appear to be pretty much the same as other South Eastern Med people who may also be considered Europeans, Turks, Levantines or Arabs or some other artificial label depending on which modern country they were born in.

People from the Arabian peninsular, the original Arabs, are a distinctly different people from the Mediterranean populations.

 

[Jedster]

I answered false because I don't understand how any city in the world can have an ethnicity. .....).

reminds of a story(probably a myth), I heard many decades ago:

Once upon a time Alexander(the Great) was leading a victory march through a certain city, Everybody was bowing to him as he passed by, except one beggar who was busy eating his morsel.
Alexander stopped and said "How come you are not bowing to me, the greatest conqueror of lands, ever?",
to which the beggar replied "the land was here before you were born and will be here after you have died".

Alexander was greatly humbled by this encounter and said, "When I die, parade my body throughout the city, with my hands hanging out,empty. This will show that Alexander leaves this place exactly as he entered, empty handed and the land remains the same"

 

[Flankerl]

Why don't you debate one of them and show how their understanding of the Torah and History is incorrect?

Nice cop-out. I take that as a no.

 

[FearGod]

Muslims are "Anti-Christ" , they don't believe Jesus is the Son of God. Which is the spirit of Anti-Christ.

What about the Jews? they actually hate Jesus and believe that he was a son of a whore.

 

[Kemosloby]

What about the Jews? they actually hate Jesus and believe that he was a son of a whore.

There are many Anti-Christs. It sort of keeps you guessing who the final anti-christ will be, the "Lawless one, The man of sin"..where will he come from. You could also argue the Pope is an Anti-Christ if he is a false worker, Since it says "Satan himself masquerades as an Angel of light and his people as Apostles" The Catholics do claim Apostolic succession and nobody else claims that. So it could be an alignment of Catholics, Jews and Muslims.

2 cor 11:12 Paul and the False Apostles
…But I will keep on doing what I am doing, in order to undercut those who want an opportunity to be regarded as our equals in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles,deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.…

 

[FearGod]

Can you give me the cut off point in years after which invaders become the 'rightful' owners?

Israel nowadays, USA in the year 1776 after eradicating the Indigenous people.

 

[FearGod]

So Jerusalem is an African city?

Borders and countries created racism, the leaders want to control the lands and the people
living in it, it doesn't benefit the world public but it benefits the leaders.

Islam message is to make one world with no borders, one leader to be chosen by the public, and
such person will be elected without running for the election, people will ask him to lead them because
they believe he'll lead the nation to goodness.

That was the case during the caliphate.

 

[Kemosloby]

Borders and countries created racism, the leaders want to control the lands and the people
living in it, it doesn't benefit the world public but it benefits the leaders.

Islam message is to make one world with no borders, one leader to be chosen by the public, and
such person will be elected without running for the election, people will asked him to lead them because
they believe he'll lead the nation to goodness.

That was the case during the caliphate.

You believe that will work? You believe a supreme world leader is the answer?

 

[FearGod]

You believe that will work? You believe a supreme world leader is the answer?

Actually that will be the case of the Christ, he'll lead the world for a period of time before it ends
with leaving the unbelievers on earth and getting the rest to heaven, but we don't get the message.

 

[FearGod]

There are many Anti-Christs. It sort of keeps you guessing who the final anti-christ will be, the "Lawless one, The man of sin"..where will he come from. You could also argue the Pope is an Anti-Christ if he is a false worker, Since it says "Satan himself masquerades as an Angel of light and his people as Apostles" The Catholics do claim Apostolic succession and nobody else claims that. So it could be an alignment of Catholics, Jews and Muslims.

2 cor 11:12 Paul and the False Apostles
…But I will keep on doing what I am doing, in order to undercut those who want an opportunity to be regarded as our equals in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles,deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.…

Doesn't make sense for Muslims to be anti-christ because they actually await his appearance and they ought to
support him and not fighting him.

 

[Kemosloby]

Actually that will be the case of the Christ, he'll lead the world for a period of time before it ends
with leaving the unbelievers on earth and getting the rest to heaven, but we don't get the message.

Because that would be a false message. It's the anti-christ who leads the world a short time before it ends. Are you a Muslim? Where did you get your idea that Jesus would lead the world before it ends?

 

[Kemosloby]

Doesn't make sense for Muslims to be anti-christ because they actually await his appearance and they ought to
support him and not fighting him.

It sounds like the Muslims are ripe to be decieved into following the anti-christ masquerading as the jewish messiah. If someone comes along claiming to be Jesus or the Christ how will you know if it actually is him?

 

[FearGod]

Because that would be a false message. It's the anti-christ who leads the world a short time before it ends. Are you a Muslim? Where did you get your idea that Jesus would lead the world before it ends?

He's leading it actually and you're one of his supporters.

 

[FearGod]

It sounds like the Muslims are ripe to be decieved into following the anti-christ masquerading as the jewish messiah. If someone comes along claiming to be Jesus or the Christ how will you know if it actually is him?

How I could recognize him is my business and not yours, let him appear first.