Inferential theology. Why couldn't Jesus just say he is Michael? Why is he called Jesus and told to be called this from the beginning? Angels have diff names?
Hey I used to call my girlfriend "angel." Does this count?
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Inferential theology. Why couldn't Jesus just say he is Michael? Why is he called Jesus and told to be called this from the beginning? Angels have diff names?
Hey I used to call my girlfriend "angel." Does this count?
What is Continuation Covenant, your words? Sounds goodly so far. By title.
PISTEUOW continual? I would be agroovin' to that.
Desert Snake
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One thing I'm sure of, when we adhere to Jesus, it changes the theological dynamics of the OT, we are for sure not practicing any type of widely accepted denomination within "Judaism", that being the case I would agree that the 'priority' here is the guidance of Jesus, hence that formula for looking at the Ten Commandments etc.
It would be also the Great Guidance of the Holy Spirit having circumcised our hearts:
Deut 30
6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Jer 31
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
It is the very rebirth of spirit which Jesus spoke of to Nicodemus and the very eating of his flesh and the drinking of Jesus' blood.
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If one does a thorough study it is evident that Jesus is.
If you already saved in the final sense, then why you have to sit on that Judgement Seat as well as every other believer, sir?
SAVED from the bonds of sin and death, them satanic bonds which kept you from ever seein' any light attall...SAVED from the propensity to sin, and the propensity to have the propensity to sin, and the propensity to have the propensity to have the propensity to sin, sir.
Sinin' sinin' all the time sinnin'. This was you before. Look at you now, sir.
WHOO HOO!!
Desert Snake
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Good point. I think many Christians miss this aspect of Xianity, very astute.
What is so great about him being Michael? Michael was the head gomer among gomers? I mean angel?
Jesus was not pre-existent at all except as Word, or Oracle until he became flesh.
Desert Snake
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Because 'saved' means we are under the rulership of Jesus, as opposed to just trying to be 'perfect' (good luck with that).
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There are things revealed, and then there are things that are evident, by studying the Word.
Nowhere in the holy scriptures does it literally say free will but we know we have this by reading and studying.Jesus could have said many things but he did not.Just like when he was being questioned by the Pharisees and Pilate.He chose to let them speak and say things.He reveals what he wants to reveal.Jesus became Jesus when he appeared on earth.Before this he was a spirit form.As when he was with God in the garden of Eden in Genesis 1:26, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, It was Michael that God was speaking to.
There is only one Archangel.Not many.Jesus is in charge of the angels.
Only two angels are ever named if I'm not mistaken.Gabriel and Michael.
Desert Snake
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I'm not sure what 'word' means in the Scripture. Fact is, I don't need to. Since G-d manifested through the Spirit unto Mary, fortunately we don't have to 'guess' who Jesus was in Spirit, He was G-d. As man or 'part man', He had man aspect as well, that's why throughout Scripture we get the confusing, 'Jesus is man, as well as Jesus is G-d, references.
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Did you just refer to Michael the Archangel as clumsy and stupid?
Trying to be perfect is just Shema. 100% loving on our God. It don't get you to heaven but you are still to try.
Funny thing, doing the impossible. But this is the contradictory aspect of love, trying to do that which is impossible. See God gave the Law of Shema in Deut 6:4 when at the same time He gave the Land of Milk and Honey.
And this was the greatest thing this land of plenty and relative peace. A Land where our children can be born and thrive. Only a people who wandered as the Jews did could appreciate, the people of the U.S. been spoilt for so long...
God actually said you COULD do this Law, this unfathomable and impossible Law. So then you can think it is impossible, and "good luck with that" and such, but again this is modern terp, and not Judaicterp or God-terp.
I think it is sorta like Vince Lombardi saying to give 110%. As if we could, good luck with that. See I would be the cynic thrown off the team. The go-getters don't try to analyze.
Maybe delegated to third string. WHATEVER supreme effort we give will be blessed, although no man knows where the dividing line is.
So then I just say do your best, and this in "REALLY do your best." It does not guarantee heaven, it is just our own expression of covenant.
Didache says the same thing, by the way.
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Jesus did exist before everything else.Colossians 1:15,16.
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.16 for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can't see--such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.
If Jesus did not exist in a pre human existence, then, you think that everything came into existence when Jesus came to earth?
In comparison to God yes. In comparison to Jesus yes. Jesus is ABOVE the angels, and for you to say he is an ARCHANGEL either Jesus or Michael just means "Angel of angels."
No evidence sir Jesus is an angel at all.
No references at all that Jesus was God, unless you got JisG lens. On your glasses, bud.
Jesus cannot be God since now God has two minds...wills...self-awarenesses...i.e. IDENTITIES. Not kosher sir. But then again maybe you diss the Judaic world-view. Which is actually the historical context of the Christ, sir.
Made THROUGH him or the conduit of him, is not to say BY or causally "by."
Simple defn of "dia" sir.
Jesus was WORD before the Foundation of the World. This means the expression in metaphor of God.
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Ok then.I am done discussing this with you.I cannot go on with you since you are putting Michael the Archangel down like that.By you saying something like that about one of God's creations shows your true character and lack of respect for God.I consider that an insult and total disrespect.You are entitled to your own opinion of course, but I will not tolerate such disrespect.I will no longer answer any of your questions, and I am putting you on my ignore list.When ever I encounter someone that says things like you do,and disrespects,I immediately cut them off.Goodbye.................
Ps.The reason for this is because you called Michael the Archangel a "gomer" which means clumsy and stupid.Very disrespectful.
Maybe my "gomer" ain't your "gomer." My "gomer" is that guy on the Home Depot bucket.
He ain't stupid or clumsy by defn.
Nothead just butts around by nature. He doesn't mean nothing insidious per se.
Stick around. You might learn something OTHER than what your elders shoved in your file cabinets.
He ain't stupid or clumsy by defn.
Nothead just butts around by nature. He doesn't mean nothing insidious per se.
Stick around. You might learn something OTHER than what your elders shoved in your file cabinets.
I reread you post giving evidence for. Because Jesus comes with a voice like an archangel don't MAKE him one.
And the term "Angel of angels" never was said, unlike "Lord of lords," and "King of kings."
All your evidence is just the single revelation of a single JW elder in a single point in time. Two of your elder's prophesies of the End were false. So could this one be. So would it be in my mind, sir.