Jesus as Christ

[URAVIP2ME]

Neither do you. God said to fear Him who can kill souls, but if He can, there’s nothing stopping Him from killing you in heaven. Satan got thrown out, so clearly one can’t guarantee eternal presence in heaven.

I find there is No death in Heaven. Nobody dies in Heaven.
Adam was a 'living soul' on Earth according to Genesis 2:7
At Adam's death, ALL of Adam 'returned ' to earth's dust at Genesis 3:19
Satan was Not dead when thrown out of Heaven.
( By the way Satan was also never in any real or myth hell )
Satan will be 'destroyed' after the end of Jesus' coming thousand-year governmental reign over Earth.
Then, Jesus will destroy Satan according to Hebrews 2:14 B.
ALL the wicked (sinner Satan is wicked ) will be 'destroyed forever' as per Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What do you make of Psalms 110:1?

I think there are two (2) LORD/Lord's mentioned (KJV)
The LORD in all Upper-Case letters stands for LORD God (YHWH)
The other Lord in some lower-case letters stand for Lord Jesus ( No Tetragrammaton YHWH used or applied )
Lord Jesus sits at his God's right hand until it is God's time for him to take action - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15.

 

[Redemptionsong]

For what it's worth, I tend to agree.

For example, why would God only provide directions starting only a few thousand years ago in one little area of the world? That makes no sense to me.

Humans as humans go back to roughly 6 million years bp, but the Hebrew scriptures didn't get written until around 3 thousand years bp. That's like a drop in the bucket. So, weren't people borne before then important to God? And what about the myriads of people who lived outside the Mediterranean region-- didn't they count?

IMO, there has to be something else, but I'll stop at this point.

If you don't mind me answering this objection!

Paul makes it clear that 'sin is not imputed when there is no law' i.e. from Adam to Moses [Romans 5:13]. He also says that those under the law will be judged by the law [Romans 2:12] So, we have some people living by conscience without the law, some people living by the law, and some people living by faith in Christ. What Paul says applies to all: 'For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.' [2 Corinthians 5:10]

What benefit comes from faith in Christ? Romans 8:1. 'There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.'

 

[ElishaElijah]

I find there is No death in Heaven. Nobody dies in Heaven.
Adam was a 'living soul' on Earth according to Genesis 2:7
At Adam's death, ALL of Adam 'returned ' to earth's dust at Genesis 3:19
Satan was Not dead when thrown out of Heaven.
( By the way Satan was also never in any real or myth hell )
Satan will be 'destroyed' after the end of Jesus' coming thousand-year governmental reign over Earth.
Then, Jesus will destroy Satan according to Hebrews 2:14 B.
ALL the wicked (sinner Satan is wicked ) will be 'destroyed forever' as per Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22

Revelation says different:
“The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:10‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[Redemptionsong]

I think there are two (2) LORD/Lord's mentioned (KJV)
The LORD in all Upper-Case letters stands for LORD God (YHWH)
The other Lord in some lower-case letters stand for Lord Jesus ( No Tetragrammaton YHWH used or applied )
Lord Jesus sits at his God's right hand until it is God's time for him to take action - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15.

I agree with you, but do you believe that the Spirit of the Father was upon Jesus in full 'measure'? Is Jesus Christ worthy of worship and service?

 

[Trailblazer]

What I'm looking for is some clarity and consistency!

If Jesus is Christ in heaven, and Baha'ullah is also Christ in heaven, do we have two Christs reigning in heaven?

Sorry I confused you. I believe that God is reigning in heaven but both Jesus and Baha'u'llah and all the other Messengers of God are close to God in what Baha'u'llah referred to as the Supreme Concourse. None of the Messengers of God are literally 'reigning'; that is just an expression that denotes having 'all power' to affect souls in heaven and on earth. Didn't Jesus say in the New Testament that He will always be be with you in spirit even after He ascended to heaven? Baha'is believe the same thing about Baha'u'llah, and He promised that He would always be with us, beholding us from heaven, the realm of glory.

“Let not your hearts be perturbed, O people, when the glory of My Presence is withdrawn, and the ocean of My utterance is stilled. In My presence amongst you there is a wisdom, and in My absence there is yet another, inscrutable to all but God, the Incomparable, the All-Knowing. Verily, We behold you from Our realm of glory, and shall aid whosoever will arise for the triumph of Our Cause with the hosts of the Concourse on high and a company of Our favored angels.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 140

What, therefore, do you make of Philippians 2:8-10?
'And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father,'

So, if Jesus Christ is Lord, how many 'Lords' are there? It says in Ephesians 4:5: 'One Lord, one faith, one baptism,' Is Baha'ullah, therefore, not a Lord in heaven?

Baha’u’llah sternly warned us never to make any distinction between any of the Messengers of God (who are the Manifestations of His Cause) because they all arise to proclaim the same religion, since there is only one eternal religion of God. Baha’u’llah wrote that the works and acts of all the Manifestations of God were all ordained by God, a reflection of His Will and Purpose.

“Beware, O believers in the Unity of God, lest ye be tempted to make any distinction between any of the Manifestations of His Cause, or to discriminate against the signs that have accompanied and proclaimed their Revelation. This indeed is the true meaning of Divine Unity, if ye be of them that apprehend and believe this truth. Be ye assured, moreover, that the works and acts of each and every one of these Manifestations of God, nay whatever pertaineth unto them, and whatsoever they may manifest in the future, are all ordained by God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Whoso maketh the slightest possible difference between their persons, their words, their messages, their acts and manners, hath indeed disbelieved in God, hath repudiated His signs, and betrayed the Cause of His Messengers.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 59-60

Although all the Manifestations of God are a refection of God's Will and Purpose, Jesus and Baha'u'llah had a greater mission earth than any other Manifestations of God. In the Baha'i scriptures, Baha'u'llah is referred to as the Greatest Name, but that does not mean He is "greater" than Jesus, it is just a title that was given to Him.

“Know that the attributes of perfection, the splendor of the divine bounties, and the lights of inspiration are visible and evident in all the Holy Manifestations; but the glorious Word of God, Christ, and the Greatest Name, Bahá’u’lláh, are manifestations and evidences which are beyond imagination, for They possess all the perfections of the former Manifestations; and more than that, They possess some perfections which make the other Manifestations dependent upon Them. So all the Prophets of Israel were centers of inspiration; Christ also was a receiver of inspiration, but what a difference between the inspiration of the Word of God and the revelations of Isaiah, Jeremiah and Elijah!” Some Answered Questions, pp. 149-150

Lord is a title that was given to Jesus in the scriptures. Jesus was a Manifestation of God, God's representative on earth, so He was referred to as Lord in the scriptures.

As a Manifestation of God, God's representative on earth, Baha'u'llah was referred to as the Lord of Hosts and God is referred to as the Lord of all names in the Baha'i scriptures.

“The fear of God is the shield that defendeth His Cause, the buckler that enableth His people to attain to victory. It is a standard that no man can abase, a force that no power can rival. By its aid, and by the leave of Him Who is the Lord of Hosts, they that have drawn nigh unto God have been able to subdue and conquer the citadels of the hearts of men.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 272

“O kings of the earth! He Who is the sovereign Lord of all is come. The Kingdom is God’s, the omnipotent Protector, the Self-Subsisting. Worship none but God, and, with radiant hearts, lift up your faces unto your Lord, the Lord of all names. This is a Revelation to which whatever ye possess can never be compared, could ye but know it.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 210

 

[oldbadger]

Yes, read Job, and I also read Ezekiel 28:13-16 that Satan turned himself in a Satan, a Devil - James 1:13-15.
Satan used his appointed position to have undo importance to the point that Satan's ambition, his rebellion against his God to the point that Satan wants us to also join him and disobey God.

Like James was the authority about Satan...... James!

At Job 2:4-5 we find that Satan Not only challenged Job but by way of extension all of us.
If God would have forbidden Satan's challenge it could be said Satan was right.
Satan challenged that if our 'flesh...' (our physical health) was adversely affected we would Not serve God.
Under adverse conditions but Job and Jesus proved Satan a liar and so can we.

No. You shouldn't adjust the story.
It was God who instructed and gave permission to Satan in Job. They discussed and communicated.
And Jesus wasn't there back then, and anyway, his main focus of anger was towards the corrupted, greedy, careless Priesthood.

The idea that Satan is a serious enemy of the Christian God just shows me that the Christian God can't be that great. But if Satan obeys God and does exactly what the Christian God tells him to do, that could show how strong the Christian God is. Present it all how you will.

 

[oldbadger]

A quote that your requested is found at Genesis 2:4
KJV ........ " in the DAY that the LORD God made the Earth and the Heavens "
ALL of the 6 creative days are summed up by the single word DAY.

You carefully selected out part of that verse, didn't you?

It actually reads:- Genesis {2:4} These [are] the generations of the heavens and of
the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

....... which ties in quite nicely with the whole story of the universe through its 13+billion years of time.

 

[oldbadger]

Yes, agree, in Scripture eternal hellfire is: primitive daftness. It is a religious-myth teaching just taught as Scripture.
'Biblical hell' is just mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the ' sleeping ' dead.
I find false clergy who use 'fire' as a scare tactic to try to control the flock of God.
Please notice that Jesus and the OT both teach 'SLEEP' (Not pain) in death:
As found at John 11:11-14; Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5.
I find it is wickedness that sends a person (Not to flames) but to their: destruction.
This is why I find Scripture teaches being 'destroyed forever' at Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35; 2 Peter 3:9.
So, it is Not the breaking of rules and laws, but the refusing to give up such lawless ways.
I find if there were No rules or laws there would be No civilized civilization.

Very good points URAVIP2ME. I am very impressed with the above.
And you DID address my points about sin, only in this second post of yours.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Sorry I confused you. I believe that God is reigning in heaven but both Jesus and Baha'u'llah and all the other Messengers of God are close to God in what Baha'u'llah referred to as the Supreme Concourse. None of the Messengers of God are literally 'reigning'; that is just an expression that denotes having 'all power' to affect souls in heaven and on earth. Didn't Jesus say in the New Testament that He will always be be with you in spirit even after He ascended to heaven? Baha'is believe the same thing about Baha'u'llah, and He promised that He would always be with us, beholding us from heaven, the realm of glory.

“Let not your hearts be perturbed, O people, when the glory of My Presence is withdrawn, and the ocean of My utterance is stilled. In My presence amongst you there is a wisdom, and in My absence there is yet another, inscrutable to all but God, the Incomparable, the All-Knowing. Verily, We behold you from Our realm of glory, and shall aid whosoever will arise for the triumph of Our Cause with the hosts of the Concourse on high and a company of Our favored angels.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 140

Baha’u’llah sternly warned us never to make any distinction between any of the Messengers of God (who are the Manifestations of His Cause) because they all arise to proclaim the same religion, since there is only one eternal religion of God. Baha’u’llah wrote that the works and acts of all the Manifestations of God were all ordained by God, a reflection of His Will and Purpose.

“Beware, O believers in the Unity of God, lest ye be tempted to make any distinction between any of the Manifestations of His Cause, or to discriminate against the signs that have accompanied and proclaimed their Revelation. This indeed is the true meaning of Divine Unity, if ye be of them that apprehend and believe this truth. Be ye assured, moreover, that the works and acts of each and every one of these Manifestations of God, nay whatever pertaineth unto them, and whatsoever they may manifest in the future, are all ordained by God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Whoso maketh the slightest possible difference between their persons, their words, their messages, their acts and manners, hath indeed disbelieved in God, hath repudiated His signs, and betrayed the Cause of His Messengers.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 59-60

Although all the Manifestations of God are a refection of God's Will and Purpose, Jesus and Baha'u'llah had a greater mission earth than any other Manifestations of God. In the Baha'i scriptures, Baha'u'llah is referred to as the Greatest Name, but that does not mean He is "greater" than Jesus, it is just a title that was given to Him.

“Know that the attributes of perfection, the splendor of the divine bounties, and the lights of inspiration are visible and evident in all the Holy Manifestations; but the glorious Word of God, Christ, and the Greatest Name, Bahá’u’lláh, are manifestations and evidences which are beyond imagination, for They possess all the perfections of the former Manifestations; and more than that, They possess some perfections which make the other Manifestations dependent upon Them. So all the Prophets of Israel were centers of inspiration; Christ also was a receiver of inspiration, but what a difference between the inspiration of the Word of God and the revelations of Isaiah, Jeremiah and Elijah!” Some Answered Questions, pp. 149-150

Lord is a title that was given to Jesus in the scriptures. Jesus was a Manifestation of God, God's representative on earth, so He was referred to as Lord in the scriptures.

As a Manifestation of God, God's representative on earth, Baha'u'llah was referred to as the Lord of Hosts and God is referred to as the Lord of all names in the Baha'i scriptures.

“The fear of God is the shield that defendeth His Cause, the buckler that enableth His people to attain to victory. It is a standard that no man can abase, a force that no power can rival. By its aid, and by the leave of Him Who is the Lord of Hosts, they that have drawn nigh unto God have been able to subdue and conquer the citadels of the hearts of men.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 272

“O kings of the earth! He Who is the sovereign Lord of all is come. The Kingdom is God’s, the omnipotent Protector, the Self-Subsisting. Worship none but God, and, with radiant hearts, lift up your faces unto your Lord, the Lord of all names. This is a Revelation to which whatever ye possess can never be compared, could ye but know it.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 210

This is exactly what l mean by inconsistency! If one says that neither Jesus Christ nor Baha'ullah reign in heaven, how is it that scripture says that 'the Lord' was seen 'sitting upon a throne'? [See lsaiah 6:1-5] Since no man has ever seen God, this vision must have been of Christ the Lord. This same Lord is described as the 'LORD of hosts', yet you say that Baha'ullah is the 'LORD of hosts'.

 

[metis]

If you don't mind me answering this objection!

Paul makes it clear that 'sin is not imputed when there is no law' i.e. from Adam to Moses [Romans 5:13]. He also says that those under the law will be judged by the law [Romans 2:12] So, we have some people living by conscience without the law, some people living by the law, and some people living by faith in Christ. What Paul says applies to all: 'For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.' [2 Corinthians 5:10]

What benefit comes from faith in Christ? Romans 8:1. 'There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.'

This really doesn't directly deal with my point, namely that if belief in Jesus is supposedly mandatory, then what about others whom came before him or whom aren't familiar with even who he was? Thus, I proposed a question, not an answer.

I think a possible answer might be in your last word above: the "Spirit". The Tanakh frequently mentions "God's spirit", thus I believe it is at least hypothetically possible that this "Spirit" existed long before humans walked the Earth but may have guided peoples worldwide historically to have this desire to seek God(s). Pretty much all religions have this drive, so maybe it's the "trip" that's most important versus the "destination".

With that being hypothetically possible imo, Jesus manifests a very simple message that could cover all religions: love of God(s) and love of neighbor, which are the Two Commandments he taught as the base of his teachings.

Just a thought.

 

[Trailblazer]

This is exactly what l mean by inconsistency! If one says that neither Jesus Christ nor Baha'ullah reign in heaven, how is it that scripture says that 'the Lord' was seen 'sitting upon a throne'? [See lsaiah 6:1-5] Since no man has ever seen God, this vision must have been of Christ the Lord. This same Lord is described as the 'LORD of hosts', yet you say that Baha'ullah is the 'LORD of hosts'.

I do not believe that those verses mean that the Lord was actually sitting upon a throne in heaven ruling, as an earthly king would rule. Seated on the throne of God is symbolic for having power and ruling for God, either on earth or in heaven.

All the Prophets of God are seated on God’s throne during their dispensations upon the earth and after they ascend to heaven they are all soaring in the same heaven and seated upon the same throne, figuratively speaking.

“It is clear and evident to thee that all the Prophets are the Temples of the Cause of God, Who have appeared clothed in divers attire. If thou wilt observe with discriminating eyes, thou wilt behold Them all abiding in the same tabernacle, soaring in the same heaven, seated upon the same throne, uttering the same speech, and proclaiming the same Faith. Such is the unity of those Essences of Being, those Luminaries of infinite and immeasurable splendor! Wherefore, should one of these Manifestations of Holiness proclaim saying: “I am the return of all the Prophets,” He, verily, speaketh the truth. In like manner, in every subsequent Revelation, the return of the former Revelation is a fact, the truth of which is firmly established….” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 52

I believe that lsaiah 6:1-5 are prophetic verses and they refer to Baha'u'llah, who was the Lord of hosts.
Isaiah 6:3 says "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory." It is a vision of the Lord of Hosts who would come to earth in the future.

I believe that Baha’u’llah is presently seated on the throne of God because He is the Manifestation of God (Prophet, Messenger) for this age.

“No sooner had her voice reached that most exalted Spot than We made reply: “Render thanks unto thy Lord, O Carmel. The fire of thy separation from Me was fast consuming thee, when the ocean of My presence surged before thy face, cheering thine eyes and those of all creation, and filling with delight all things visible and invisible. Rejoice, for God hath in this Day established upon thee His throne, hath made thee the dawning-place of His signs and the day spring of the evidences of His Revelation. Well is it with him that circleth around thee, that proclaimeth the revelation of thy glory, and recounteth that which the bounty of the Lord thy God hath showered upon thee. Seize thou the Chalice of Immortality in the name of thy Lord, the All-Glorious, and give thanks unto Him, inasmuch as He, in token of His mercy unto thee, hath turned thy sorrow into gladness, and transmuted thy grief into blissful joy. He, verily, loveth the spot which hath been made the seat of His throne, which His footsteps have trodden, which hath been honored by His presence, from which He raised His call, and upon which He shed His tears.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 15-16

 

[Redemptionsong]

I do not believe that those verses mean that the Lord was actually sitting upon a throne in heaven ruling, as an earthly king would rule. Seated on the throne of God is symbolic for having power and ruling for God, either on earth or in heaven.

All the Prophets of God are seated on God’s throne during their dispensations upon the earth and after they ascend to heaven they are all soaring in the same heaven and seated upon the same throne, figuratively speaking.

“It is clear and evident to thee that all the Prophets are the Temples of the Cause of God, Who have appeared clothed in divers attire. If thou wilt observe with discriminating eyes, thou wilt behold Them all abiding in the same tabernacle, soaring in the same heaven, seated upon the same throne, uttering the same speech, and proclaiming the same Faith. Such is the unity of those Essences of Being, those Luminaries of infinite and immeasurable splendor! Wherefore, should one of these Manifestations of Holiness proclaim saying: “I am the return of all the Prophets,” He, verily, speaketh the truth. In like manner, in every subsequent Revelation, the return of the former Revelation is a fact, the truth of which is firmly established….” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 52

I believe that lsaiah 6:1-5 are prophetic verses and they refer to Baha'u'llah, who was the Lord of hosts.
Isaiah 6:3 says "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory." It is a vision of the Lord of Hosts who would come to earth in the future.

I believe that Baha’u’llah is presently seated on the throne of God because He is the Manifestation of God (Prophet, Messenger) for this age.

“No sooner had her voice reached that most exalted Spot than We made reply: “Render thanks unto thy Lord, O Carmel. The fire of thy separation from Me was fast consuming thee, when the ocean of My presence surged before thy face, cheering thine eyes and those of all creation, and filling with delight all things visible and invisible. Rejoice, for God hath in this Day established upon thee His throne, hath made thee the dawning-place of His signs and the day spring of the evidences of His Revelation. Well is it with him that circleth around thee, that proclaimeth the revelation of thy glory, and recounteth that which the bounty of the Lord thy God hath showered upon thee. Seize thou the Chalice of Immortality in the name of thy Lord, the All-Glorious, and give thanks unto Him, inasmuch as He, in token of His mercy unto thee, hath turned thy sorrow into gladness, and transmuted thy grief into blissful joy. He, verily, loveth the spot which hath been made the seat of His throne, which His footsteps have trodden, which hath been honored by His presence, from which He raised His call, and upon which He shed His tears.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 15-16

If the term 'LORD of hosts' refers to Baha'ullah then you must believe that Baha'ullah is the God of Israel!

1 Chronicles 17:24. 'Let it even be established, that thy name may be magnified for ever, saying, The LORD of hosts is the God of Israel, even a God to Israel: and let the house of David thy servant be established before thee.'

Jeremiah 10:16. [Jeremiah 51:19] 'The portion of Jacob is not like them [idolaters]: for he is the former of all things; and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: The LORD of hosts is his name.'

Deuteronomy 32:9. 'For the LORD's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.'

Isaiah 11:1. 'And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:'

Christ is HEAD ('Israel' as Jesus Christ) and BODY ('Israel' the people of Christ).

Ephesians 4:4-6. 'There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.'

 

[Redemptionsong]

This really doesn't directly deal with my point, namely that if belief in Jesus is supposedly mandatory, then what about others whom came before him or whom aren't familiar with even who he was? Thus, I proposed a question, not an answer.

I think a possible answer might be in your last word above: the "Spirit". The Tanakh frequently mentions "God's spirit", thus I believe it is at least hypothetically possible that this "Spirit" existed long before humans walked the Earth but may have guided peoples worldwide historically to have this desire to seek God(s). Pretty much all religions have this drive, so maybe it's the "trip" that's most important versus the "destination".

With that being hypothetically possible imo, Jesus manifests a very simple message that could cover all religions: love of God(s) and love of neighbor, which are the Two Commandments he taught as the base of his teachings.

Just a thought.

I agree that the Spirit of God is the key to everlasting communion. The scriptures surely teach that the Holy Spirit has been present since creation, for everything was created through Christ, the Word of God. Christ walked with Adam before the fall, and was present with Moses in the wilderness. Noah also listened to the voice of Christ, and his family were saved. This seems to suggest to me that one can have faith in the 'righteousness of God', even without knowing his name or countenance. These people [Hebrews 11] became 'heirs of the righteousness which is by faith'.

1 Peter 3:21.'The like figure [of Noah] whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:'

To my understanding [1 Peter 3:18,19] Christ preached to the dead and made known his resurrection. All who had ever placed their faith in the Spirit of God would have recognised his voice.

 

[metis]

This seems to suggest to me that one can have faith in the 'righteousness of God', even without knowing his name or countenance.

And it is hypothetically possible, imo, that Nature itself can provide at least some faith in terms of a Creator, and I suggest this well might be true because religious beliefs permeate all societies since we can take them back historically. If there wasn't a Creator, then why do all societies historically have a majority of populations being theistic? [rhetorical]

IOW, there seems to be something within us that tends to drive us in the theistic direction, maybe something like the "Inner Light" that those in the Society of Friends ['Quaker"] believe we all have.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

What reasons do you have for BELIEVING that Jesus lived as God amongst men on earth?

So many - but the main one is that someone had to do it for the Plan to work.

 

[Redemptionsong]

I do not believe that those verses mean that the Lord was actually sitting upon a throne in heaven ruling, as an earthly king would rule. Seated on the throne of God is symbolic for having power and ruling for God, either on earth or in heaven.

All the Prophets of God are seated on God’s throne during their dispensations upon the earth and after they ascend to heaven they are all soaring in the same heaven and seated upon the same throne, figuratively speaking.

“It is clear and evident to thee that all the Prophets are the Temples of the Cause of God, Who have appeared clothed in divers attire. If thou wilt observe with discriminating eyes, thou wilt behold Them all abiding in the same tabernacle, soaring in the same heaven, seated upon the same throne, uttering the same speech, and proclaiming the same Faith. Such is the unity of those Essences of Being, those Luminaries of infinite and immeasurable splendor! Wherefore, should one of these Manifestations of Holiness proclaim saying: “I am the return of all the Prophets,” He, verily, speaketh the truth. In like manner, in every subsequent Revelation, the return of the former Revelation is a fact, the truth of which is firmly established….” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 52

I believe that lsaiah 6:1-5 are prophetic verses and they refer to Baha'u'llah, who was the Lord of hosts.
Isaiah 6:3 says "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory." It is a vision of the Lord of Hosts who would come to earth in the future.

I believe that Baha’u’llah is presently seated on the throne of God because He is the Manifestation of God (Prophet, Messenger) for this age.

“No sooner had her voice reached that most exalted Spot than We made reply: “Render thanks unto thy Lord, O Carmel. The fire of thy separation from Me was fast consuming thee, when the ocean of My presence surged before thy face, cheering thine eyes and those of all creation, and filling with delight all things visible and invisible. Rejoice, for God hath in this Day established upon thee His throne, hath made thee the dawning-place of His signs and the day spring of the evidences of His Revelation. Well is it with him that circleth around thee, that proclaimeth the revelation of thy glory, and recounteth that which the bounty of the Lord thy God hath showered upon thee. Seize thou the Chalice of Immortality in the name of thy Lord, the All-Glorious, and give thanks unto Him, inasmuch as He, in token of His mercy unto thee, hath turned thy sorrow into gladness, and transmuted thy grief into blissful joy. He, verily, loveth the spot which hath been made the seat of His throne, which His footsteps have trodden, which hath been honored by His presence, from which He raised His call, and upon which He shed His tears.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 15-16

In 1 Peter 5:4 it says, 'And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away'.

Who do you think Peter is referring to?

 

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Revelation says different:
“The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:10‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Yes, in Revelation I find Satan ( and also death and hell/grave ) end up in the lake of fire.
The definition of the lake of fire according to Revelation 20:13-14 is ' second death '.
So, to me we would Not want to ignore the Bible's definition of the lake as meaning 'second death'- Revelation 21:8
Jesus and the OT both teach ' sleep' in death and Not pain - John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5.
To me ' death ' can't be burned up. Also, biblical hell can't be burned up in ' second death'.
Also, in Scripture tormented is Not the same word as torture ( torture would be burning forever ).
In Scripture 'torment ' is in the sense of being jailed - Matthew 18:34; Matthew 18:30.
Satan and company will be 'jailed' as in locked away forever or being: destroyed forever.
This is why Scripture teaches 'forever destruction' for the wicked- Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35

 

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In 1 Peter 5:4 it says, 'And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away'.Who do you think Peter is referring to?

I would like to take the liberty and add my two cents and answer it's the elders as mentioned at 1 Peter 5:1

 

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I agree with you, but do you believe that the Spirit of the Father was upon Jesus in full 'measure'? Is Jesus Christ worthy of worship and service?

Jesus taught us as to Who we should worship a at John 4:23-24 - His God.
Jesus served his God and instructed us to what is God's will (purpose) for us such as found at Matthew 24:13-14.
Yes, when Jesus was baptised, God's spirit opened up the heavens to Jesus (opened up Jesus' pre-human existence to him)