Jesus as God

[syo]

i don't follow the nicene creed or anyone.

i have one teacher; which is the mind of christ in me.

that's the best teacher! but me, personally, want a little help form the church

 

[Fool]

that's the best teacher! but me, personally, want a little help form the church

you are the church, the temple of love most high.

let your love light shine

 

[Faithofchristian]

So if Jesus is God is he the Word of other planets and star in our system, or planets and star(s)in other solar systems, or just this solar system?

does he exist in other dimensions/universes? or just this one?

if he exists in other dimensions/universe, do we too?

Well you just showed yourself, of not knowing the simplest things.

 

[Fool]

Well you just showed yourself, of not knowing the simplest things.

the discussion isn't about you, or i. its about jesus. opinion, belief, is not proof. a tree is known by it's spiritual fruit.

 

[rrobs]

So if Jesus is God ...

My Bible says Jesus is the son of God, 47 times to be specific. Never is he called God the son. God is his father. A son can't be his own father. Not understanding that simple logic makes the whole Bible story nonsensical. It's a really good story if the two main characters are kept straight.

 

[Fool]

My Bible says Jesus is the son of God, 47 times to be specific. Never is he called God the son. God is his father. A son can't be his own father. Not understanding that simple logic makes the whole Bible story nonsensical. It's a really good story if the two main characters are kept straight.

the bible says everything is the offspring of god.

God doesn't create something apart from itself. God creates something as part of itself. I AM that i am(exodus) 3:14. or the All(singularity) in all(plurality), or the reverse.



That would be within the infinite multiplicity of choices you would have. Of playing that you weren't god, because the whole nature of the godhead, according to this idea, is to play that he is not. So in this idea then, everybody is fundamentally the ultimate reality, not god in a politically kingly sense, but god in the sense of being the self, the deep-down basic whatever there is. And you are all that, only you are pretending you are not.

 

[rrobs]

the bible says everything is the offspring of god.

God doesn't create something apart from itself. God creates something as part of itself. I AM that i am(exodus) 3:14. or the All(singularity) in all(plurality), or the reverse.

That would be within the infinite multiplicity of choices you would have. Of playing that you weren't god, because the whole nature of the godhead, according to this idea, is to play that he is not. So in this idea then, everybody is fundamentally the ultimate reality, not god in a politically kingly sense, but god in the sense of being the self, the deep-down basic whatever there is. And you are all that, only you are pretending you are not.

Alan Watts certainly sounds good. However, much of it was at odds with the scriptures.

"the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men." 1Cor 1:25
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The scriptures say death is an enemy (1 Cor 15:26). Christ Jesus conquered death and made eternal life available (2 Tim 1:10, 1 Cor 15:26, Rom 6:23).

I think Alan would disagree with that. It's simply a matter of choosing who to believe. Personally, I choose God's way. That's just me though. I understand others like Alan Watts.

 

[Truthseeker]

As science shows us more and we learn more about the universe, I just have to laugh at the claims of Christianity.

NASA, ESA, and many other organizations across the globe are finding more and more planets around other stars every day. Some of them at just the right distance from their host star such that life like our own could flourish, provided the building blocks of life are present in sufficient amounts, etc...

What are Christians going to do when we find life on another planet, or are visited by aliens from another solar system?

It raises the sticky question you're alluding to.

The story is god came down to earth and impregnated a teenage Jewish virgin so that he could have a son. This was necessitated by the fact that, according to the bible, mankind is guilty of some original sin that makes us all unable to be saved, and so his son, our savior was born.

If it turns out that life exists elsewhere in the universe, sentient life like our own that can think and create, etc, does that mean that the people from that planet also had their original sin moment? Does Christ's sacrifice here on this earth atone for the original sins that the beings from that planet are guilty of?

What if they didn't have an original sin moment? Does that make them better than us? Are they then god's chosen people?

Yes, intelligent life in other solar systems makes the claim that Jesus is God look bad. I don't believe in that however. The other solar systems have their own Messengers of God, and none of them are God. That's what I believe, anyway. You can have your own opinion on that.

 

[Jainarayan]

The Bible teaches us that Jesus is not God the Almighty, but God’s son, who he chose as a mediator between God and man.

Jesus says he and the Father are one. The inference is that he is God. John 10:30 "I and my Father are one".

 

[Jainarayan]

So if Jesus is God is he the Word of other planets and star in our system, or planets and star(s)in other solar systems, or just this solar system?

does he exist in other dimensions/universes? or just this one?

if he exists in other dimensions/universe, do we too?

This is actually a pretty good question, one I thought of years (decades) ago when I was a Christian and in high school, and couldn't come up with an answer. It caused me something of a crisis of faith:

• What if there are intelligent beings on other worlds... would they have sinned and needed redemption?
• If so, what would this redeemer look like? Them?
• Did they even sin?
• Do they believe in sin and redemption?

I did come up with an answer when I left Christianity and embraced Hinduism. We don't have the concepts of sin and redemption. We see God and our relationship to God, and the universe(s) in a different way than Christians do. So my questions were answered. But I understand this does not work for everyone.

 

[Jumi]

Jesus says he and the Father are one. The inference is that he is God. John 10:30 "I and my Father are one".

Taken literally, but perhaps it's merely a misunderstanding of what was said.

 

[Jainarayan]

Taken literally, but perhaps it's merely a misunderstanding of what was said.

As with just about everything else he said.

 

[zenobia]

Jesus says he and the Father are one. The inference is that he is God. John 10:30 "I and my Father are one".

Jesus also said he and his disciples are one...are the disciples Jesus?
Jesus said that a husband and wife are one...is a wife now her husband?
Clearly the inference is oneness of unity and thought.

Do you have a son? Jesus, God, angels, apostles and even demons identified Jesus as the son of the living God....Jesus said he came not to do his own will but his father’s. The scriptures also tell us that Jesus is now sitting at the right hand of God...

Does God have a father, brothers, mothers and sisters? Jesus had each of theses.

 

[ronandcarol]

So if Jesus is God is he the Word of other planets and star in our system, or planets and star(s)in other solar systems, or just this solar system?
does he exist in other dimensions/universes? or just this one?
if he exists in other dimensions/universe, do we too?

The only logical think that we should wrap our minds around is if He exists in our hearts.
ronandcarol

 

[Thaif]

As science shows us more and we learn more about the universe, I just have to laugh at the claims of Christianity.

NASA, ESA, and many other organizations across the globe are finding more and more planets around other stars every day. Some of them at just the right distance from their host star such that life like our own could flourish, provided the building blocks of life are present in sufficient amounts, etc...

What are Christians going to do when we find life on another planet, or are visited by aliens from another solar system?

It raises the sticky question you're alluding to.

The story is god came down to earth and impregnated a teenage Jewish virgin so that he could have a son. This was necessitated by the fact that, according to the bible, mankind is guilty of some original sin that makes us all unable to be saved, and so his son, our savior was born.

If it turns out that life exists elsewhere in the universe, sentient life like our own that can think and create, etc, does that mean that the people from that planet also had their original sin moment? Does Christ's sacrifice here on this earth atone for the original sins that the beings from that planet are guilty of?

What if they didn't have an original sin moment? Does that make them better than us? Are they then god's chosen people?

Wow, there's just so much material in this post, you could probably write a book about it.

You know of course there is zero evidence of life on any other planet and it may well be, given the extraordinary circumstance of our existence that yes, we're it. Perhaps you are one of those ragging on Christians for a perceived lack of proof of the existence of God but happily feel that there is life on other worlds because, well hey, there should be life out there 'cos there's just so many stars out there, right?

I think you will find that God (note the capital when speaking about a specific person) does not in the Bible, suggest that he himself came to this mortal plane, I think the actual mechanics of that particular pregnancy are probably beyond us. I realise that you probably have no idea of the content of the Bible as you clearly think that Christ didn't exist before he came to this world for us.

And yes we are all guilty of sin, original and the ones we dream up all on our own.

I assume by you last sentence, you are talking about your mythical beings in the sky not having a sin moment.

I think that often people, especially non-Christian folk, try to ascribe human qualities to God, something I personally find ludicrous.

 

[tayla]

So if Jesus is God is he the Word of other planets and star in our system, or planets and star(s)in other solar systems, or just this solar system?

does he exist in other dimensions/universes? or just this one?

if he exists in other dimensions/universe, do we too?

The Christian conception of God is false. God resides in a realm outside of this physical universe.

 

[rrobs]

the bible says everything is the offspring of god.

God doesn't create something apart from itself. God creates something as part of itself. I AM that i am(exodus) 3:14. or the All(singularity) in all(plurality), or the reverse.



That would be within the infinite multiplicity of choices you would have. Of playing that you weren't god, because the whole nature of the godhead, according to this idea, is to play that he is not. So in this idea then, everybody is fundamentally the ultimate reality, not god in a politically kingly sense, but god in the sense of being the self, the deep-down basic whatever there is. And you are all that, only you are pretending you are not.

You sound well versed on the subject. Just curious, how long have you been researching the scriptures? Do you work the Greek/Hebrew versions? I've not seen where God creates something as part of itself, but I certainly don't now the whole Bible. Where did you find that?

Take care...

 

[Fool]

You sound well versed on the subject. Just curious, how long have you been researching the scriptures?

20 yrs +

Do you work the Greek/Hebrew versions?

i speak neither hebrew, nor greek. hebrew is a resurrected dead language. i do refer to the hebrew and greek lexicons for clarity and correct usage of words

I've not seen where God creates something as part of itself, but I certainly don't now the whole Bible. Where did you find that?

Take care...

John 1:3
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


Jeremiah 23:24
Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.


Isaiah 66:1
Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

heaven and earth are all things created as given in genesis 1:1. only God, Spirit, and the Waters existed prior to creation. these are the three in ONE. this is the mind, body, spirit complex


the word omnipresence wasn't coined until 1600s, long after the first translation of the king james version.

 

[Fool]

Jesus says he and the Father are one. The inference is that he is God. John 10:30 "I and my Father are one".

uh huh. just like brahman pervades everything the offspring can't be separate from the all.

 

[rrobs]

20 yrs +

i speak neither hebrew, nor greek. hebrew is a resurrected dead language. i do refer to the hebrew and greek lexicons for clarity and correct usage of words

John 1:3
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jeremiah 23:24
Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.

Isaiah 66:1
Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

heaven and earth are all things created as given in genesis 1:1. only God, Spirit, and the Waters existed prior to creation. these are the three in ONE. this is the mind, body, spirit complex


the word omnipresence wasn't coined until 1600s, long after the first translation of the king james version.

I wouldn't say I know Greek or Hebrew either, but like you I know my way around concordances, etc. I do actually know Greek somewhat, but not as much as I used to. In any case, with a concordance and dictionary, someone can glean a lot more from the scriptures than someone who just reads any English version.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see where any of those verses imply
that God creates something as part of itself. I guess I'm not clear on what "as part of itself means." I just like to keep it simple and say, as the first verse quoted says, all things were created by God. Just not sure where the "as part of itself" come from. Did it come from Alan Watts?