Jesus came not in peace, but a sword!

[Sweetvoice]

Matthew 10 vs 34 to 36:

Jesus teaches to love god more than parents. So for example, instead of celebrating your parent birthday, you tell them you have to attend your church's activities over the weekend and missing their birthday. Your parents are not christians and don't see your reasons for doing that. By doing either, you at least break one of the ten commandment. Did Jesus teach wrong. Views please.

 

[fallingblood]

Matthew 10 vs 34 to 36:

Jesus teaches to love god more than parents. So for example, instead of celebrating your parent birthday, you tell them you have to attend your church's activities over the weekend and missing their birthday. Your parents are not christians and don't see your reasons for doing that. By doing either, you at least break one of the ten commandment. Did Jesus teach wrong. Views please.

You have to put the verse in a historic context. Taking it out of a historic context simply doesn't work in this instance.

As for one's parents not understanding why a child does something, that isn't breaking a commandment.

 

[Sweetvoice]

You have to put the verse in a historic context. Taking it out of a historic context simply doesn't work in this instance.

As for one's parents not understanding why a child does something, that isn't breaking a commandment.

Thanks, good to know.

 

[fahrenheit]

Jesus wasn't commanding people to disobey their parents, in fact he rebuked the pharisees who thought the exact same as you did.

Mathew 15: 3-6 "3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.

What he was talking about in Mt 10:34 was that becoming a disciple of Christ leads to conflicts, and that you have to be prepared for the worst which could even include your family and your friends abandoning you and many problems to arise because of your faith. And if you abandon your faith to please others then you are not worthy of Christ's love.

 

[Quagmire]

I think that passage is meant to be an injunction to follow one's conscience rather than one's culture, ie.: to do what's right, rather than what's traditional.

The kids in the 60's in the US are a great example of this principle in action: these kids went against the grain of their society and in a lot of cases put themselves at odds with their parents for the sake of speaking out against some things that they saw as being wrong; the war, racial inequality, sexism, etc.

Edit: And I don't see it as a violation of the 5th commandment. The commandment says, 'Honor your father and your mother.' Sometimes in order to honor them you have to disobey them.

 

[Luminous]

Matthew 10 vs 34 to 36:

Jesus teaches to love god more than parents. So for example, instead of celebrating your parent birthday, you tell them you have to attend your church's activities over the weekend and missing their birthday. Your parents are not christians and don't see your reasons for doing that. By doing either, you at least break one of the ten commandment. Did Jesus teach wrong. Views please.

I don't think Jesus could afford a sword. especially not after giving all his vast amounts of wealth away to the poor.
"honor them" "don't honor them" it all worked out according to his plan anyway.

 

[Sweetvoice]

Jesus wasn't commanding people to disobey their parents, in fact he rebuked the pharisees who thought the exact same as you did.

What he was talking about in Mt 10:34 was that becoming a disciple of Christ leads to conflicts, and that you have to be prepared for the worst which could even include your family and your friends abandoning you and many problems to arise because of your faith. And if you abandon your faith to please others then you are not worthy of Christ's love.

Well yes, Mt 10 vs 37 to 42 says exactly what you mentioned above. However, it seem to refer to disciples of christ, that if they can forsake parents to do christ work, their rewards are plenty. And this is a life long work, which presumably is given their parents' permission. I am more referring to everyday people/christians who are faced with that situation I made up.

 

[fahrenheit]

Well yes, Mt 10 vs 37 to 42 says exactly what you mentioned above. However, it seem to refer to disciples of christ, that if they can forsake parents to do christ work, their rewards are plenty. And this is a life long work, which presumably is given their parents' permission. I am more referring to everyday people/christians who are faced with that situation I made up.

Oh my bad I missed that last part then. It would depend on the circumstances, certainly you can still worship God by going to your parents birthday party. Just because you skip a church event doesn't mean you are committing a sin, especially if it's because you are spending that time loving your parents.

I'm trying to think of a situation that would fit with your scenario. But if there were ever a scenario that made you have to decide between your faith and your parents, then you would have to choose faith. But you should still honor and love your parents.

 

[Sweetvoice]

Oh my bad I missed that last part then. It would depend on the circumstances, certainly you can still worship God by going to your parents birthday party. Just because you skip a church event doesn't mean you are committing a sin, especially if it's because you are spending that time loving your parents.

I'm trying to think of a situation that would fit with your scenario. But if there were ever a scenario that made you have to decide between your faith and your parents, then you would have to choose faith. But you should still honor and love your parents.

That is a perfectly acceptable and reasonable action for any christian. Unfortunately that is not what one of my close christian friend did.

 

[jtartar]

Matthew 10 vs 34 to 36:

Jesus teaches to love god more than parents. So for example, instead of celebrating your parent birthday, you tell them you have to attend your church's activities over the weekend and missing their birthday. Your parents are not christians and don't see your reasons for doing that. By doing either, you at least break one of the ten commandment. Did Jesus teach wrong. Views please.

Sweetvoice,
In the first place there is no place in the scriptures that even hint at Christians celebrating birthdays. The only birthday mentioned in the scriptures that had a good meaning was Jesus' birthday, and Jesus was under the Mosaic Law Covenant, not Christian laws.
The two birthdays in the scriptures do not lend themselves to a happy day, because both of these birthdays were of pagan rulers, and two men met their death, Gen 40:20-22, and Matt 14:6-10.
Actually, the principle you are mentioning is recorded at Mark 7:11, where gifts were supposedly promised to God, called CORBAN, thereby keeping the parents of that one from benefiting from a sons property. Jesus condemned this practice, Mark 7:9-13.
It is kind of strange that nominal christians today celebrate birthdays, Jesus' and their own, but they fail to celebrate the ONLY day that Jesus commanded Christians to celebrate, THE LORD'S SUPPER. or The Lord's Evening Meal, The Last Supper, Luke 22:19, 1Cor 11:23-26.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well yes, Mt 10 vs 37 to 42 says exactly what you mentioned above. However, it seem to refer to disciples of christ, that if they can forsake parents to do christ work, their rewards are plenty. And this is a life long work, which presumably is given their parents' permission. I am more referring to everyday people/christians who are faced with that situation I made up.

Elsewhere in Matthew, it seems to suggest that love and forgiveness are more important than religious worship and ceremonies:

Mat 5:21-24:

21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[b][c] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.

While I can see some conflict between this passage and the one you gave in the OP, I think I can generally reconcile them if I take them together to mean "don't let your religion be an excuse to avoid doing the right thing for other people, and don't let the people around you be an excuse to avoid doing the right thing for God."