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Jesus committed a crime

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
That is irrelevant.
I'm not discussing my beliefs.
I'm checking some weird fable in the gospels.


No, you're not "checking some weird fable in the gospels." You are attempting to discredit the story in the Gospels (and the Gospels in general) by using "logic."

But here's some logic for you:

It appears that you believe in demons. You state that demons don't drown - they would have just left the pigs and gone elsewehere. Instead, all these pigs which were the property of someone else were killed - and apparently you're claiming that Jesus killed them.

If you read all three accounts of the story, you will see that Jesus did not command the pigs to run off the cliff in any account. He simply commanded the demons to leave the possessed man and enter the pigs instead.

But here's my point about asking you whether or not you believed in demons. If you do believe, I'd like to know the depth of your knowledge on the subject. You stated that demons don't drown. How do you know that? Where can I find some in depth study on whether or not demons can be killed? Are they immortal? Interesting.

If you don't believe in demons, and you don't believe that Jesus could cast them out because they're not real anyway, then how could you believe that they entered the pigs, or that Jesus could command these non existant beings in any way?

Finally, regardless of your belief or lack of belief about demons, your claim that Jesus ran the pigs off the cliff is simply not backed up by the scriptures.

One other point on the topic of whether or not Jesus commanded someone to steal a donkey. We don't know enough about the story because not enough detail is given on the transaction. We don't know if the plan the entire time was to return the donkey to the owner, or whether or not the owner was compensated in any way. We don't know whether the owner was a supporter of Jesus and would have actually been honored to let Jesus use his donkey. We simply don't know, so we're simply speculating.
 

Charity

Let's go racing boys !
If the pigs didn't drown and they went elsewhere it is possible that they could try to possess the religious forum? :eek:
 

imaginaryme

Active Member
Wow, way to twist scriptures.

Jesus didn't doubt God at that point. At that point, He assumed the sins of the entire human race. He was carrying the guilt of all of us at that moment on the cross. That is why God "forsook" Him - allowed Him to die in atonement for those sins.

Jesus suffered horribly on that cross. Though He was fully divine, He was also fully human. The pain of His Father turning His back on Him at that moment had to fill Him with absolute dispair and pain. This is a cry of pain, not doubt.
See what happens? I twist Scripture... shakes fist at the heavens... what good is this title you gave me?!?! :D

Take me and my words with a grain of salt, for I am a fool; content with who and what I am. Your comfort with Scripture is paramount. Be well.
 

djewleu

Member
DEMONS DO NOT DROWN IN WATER - pigs do.:eek:
Now you have no excuse not to understand.:yes:
[Sometimes you hit the keys without pressing enough, and the result are weird words. See, Mr Perfect?!]
 
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Just_me_Mike

Well-Known Member
DEMONS DO NOT DROWN IN WATER - pigs do.:eek:
Now you have no excuse not to understand.:yes:
[Sometimes you hit the keys without pressing enough, and the result are weird words. See, Mr Perfect?!]
Gulp, now I am stuck.

So, you debunk something you don't believe in with an assertion about something else you don't believe in. Good job, I believe there is a term for that, but...

Oh never mind, did you find your good glasses yet?
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
He killed TWO THOUSAND swine to [pretend he] cast demons from a victim.
Demons do NOT drown.
They left the swine and went on back to their usual business!
Jesus destroyed PRIVATE property to advertise his Father’s love!
He cheated.
He played with demons in the name of Beelzebub, according to the Pharisees.
Matthew 8, Mark 5, Luke 8.
It might be important to note that the swine most likely were being raised to sacrifice on the altar in place of the sacrificial lamb as a form of blasphemy. Have you ever wondered why Jews were raising them to begin with?
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
It might be important to note that the swine most likely were being raised to sacrifice on the altar in place of the sacrificial lamb as a form of blasphemy. Have you ever wondered why Jews were raising them to begin with?

Good point! Considering the fact that it's forbidden to eat pork in Judaism.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
2000 pigs sacrificed! Where'd you get that?
Who could afford such a massive sacrifice, or afford the expense of raising so many pigs in a hostile climate?

I suspect the story's a load of... well, it's been greatly exagerated.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
2000 pigs sacrificed! Where'd you get that?
Who could afford such a massive sacrifice, or afford the expense of raising so many pigs in a hostile climate?

I suspect the story's a load of... well, it's been greatly exagerated.

No, not all at once.

The pigs were probably being bred so that if someone needs to preform a pig-slaughter sacrifice, there's plenty to go around.

Yeesh, I'm glad animal sacrifice isn't mainstream in religion anymore.
 
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