Jesus died 2,000 years ago.

[bradholkesvig]

Bodies can't live in the invisible God so how is it possible that the body of Jesus could float into heaven?

The new testament was not put together by the saints. It was heavily manipulated by the Roman leader, Constantine who set up the Vatican and the false religion of Christianity after the Roman government killed all the true saints.

God bless you,
Brad

 

[PolyHedral]

True saints of what, if Christianity is false?

 

[bradholkesvig]

True saints of what, if Christianity is false?

Christianity has nothing to do with the true saints who were killed by the Roman government. Saints were just like Jesus was and preache the same gospel. The gospel of Christianity is powerless and can't make anyone sinless saints.

After the saints were killed, they still had many followers who were still sinners. A saint was used by God to preach the gospel to them and give them commands to confess and repent of their sins. Every sin they repented of would be forgiven by God and this is when he changed the genetic sins to stop the power of them to deceive their minds. Once these followers, also called new believers who God revealed himself to and gave them faith, became sinless, then they would receive the knowledge of God to learn who they were.

So without the saints around, they were susceptible to the Roman government who started this false religion and falsified new testament to totally deceive every single Christian in the future. The Romans added many pagan beliefs in their new testament to make sure that no one became a saint again.

The problem is they didn't understand the Word of God who spoke through Jesus and us saints. They didn't realize that the Word never died and the next chosen one who comes along would become a new sinless saint and expose all the lies of the Roman government, Christianity and the new testament. That's been my calling this past two years as I preach the gospel in various websites and in person whenever I get a chance.

God bless you,
Brad

 

[fallingblood]

Bodies can't live in the invisible God so how is it possible that the body of Jesus could float into heaven?

The new testament was not put together by the saints. It was heavily manipulated by the Roman leader, Constantine who set up the Vatican and the false religion of Christianity after the Roman government killed all the true saints.

God bless you,
Brad

You should do some additional research on early Christianity. Constantine did not put together the New Testament.

Also, who says it is not possible for the body to float into heaven? Yes, it is not logical, but it is just as logical as Jesus being born of a virgin, or rising from the dead.

 

[blueman]

Bodies can't live in the invisible God so how is it possible that the body of Jesus could float into heaven?

The new testament was not put together by the saints. It was heavily manipulated by the Roman leader, Constantine who set up the Vatican and the false religion of Christianity after the Roman government killed all the true saints.

God bless you,
Brad

This is the biggest crock of foolishness I've ever heard. The Bible tells us that Jesus ascended into heaven, but not in what form. There is plenty of consensus amongst scholars (both evangelical and skeptic) that the Bible is an authentic historical document, written by people who walked with or had access to people who walked with Jesus. You don't have to believe in Christianity to acknowledge the Bible and NT Gospels and Epistles as authentic historical documents of antiquity. Christianity would not have any level of sustaining power based on your thesis (I'm being generous). It rest and ends with Jesus Christ's power, not Constantine's!

 

[fallingblood]

This is the biggest crock of foolishness I've ever heard. The Bible tells us that Jesus ascended into heaven, but not in what form. There is plenty of consensus amongst scholars (both evangelical and skeptic) that the Bible is an authentic historical document, written by people who walked with or had access to people who walked with Jesus. You don't have to believe in Christianity to acknowledge the Bible and NT Gospels and Epistles as authentic historical documents of antiquity. Christianity would not have any level of sustaining power based on your thesis (I'm being generous). It rest and ends with Jesus Christ's power, not Constantine's!

Actually that is not the consensus. The consensus is that the Gospels were written by people distant from the events. Meaning, at best, they are third hand accounts. Luke even admits that he is using other accounts.

As for being an authentic historical document, that has to be explained more. Scholars agree that John is more theological than historical. The Gospels fall under the genre of lives. They are historical, but to a point. They also contain a certain amount of myths. That is agreed upon among scholars.

 

[Antibush5]

Don't think that Jesus died 2,000 years ago, probably something like 1970 years ago.
Aparantly he was in his early or late 30's.

 

[blueman]

Actually that is not the consensus. The consensus is that the Gospels were written by people distant from the events. Meaning, at best, they are third hand accounts. Luke even admits that he is using other accounts.

As for being an authentic historical document, that has to be explained more. Scholars agree that John is more theological than historical. The Gospels fall under the genre of lives. They are historical, but to a point. They also contain a certain amount of myths. That is agreed upon among scholars.

I stated that the Gospels were written by authors who walked with Jesus or people (like Luke and Mark) who had access to valid and credible sources. Most scholars who have done the research and do not have a naturalistic bias do concur that these books were written within one generation of said events. Depending on the books in question, your talking about a period of between 10 and 60 years subsequent to the cruxifiction of Jesus. What myths are you referring to?

 

[Blackdog22]

I stated that the Gospels were written by authors who walked with Jesus or people (like Luke and Mark) who had access to valid and credible sources. Most scholars who have done the research and do not have a naturalistic bias do concur that these books were written within one generation of said events. Depending on the books in question, your talking about a period of between 10 and 60 years subsequent to the cruxifiction of Jesus. What myths are you referring to?

the Flood should come to mind.

 

[blueman]

the Flood should come to mind.

Is that a myth because you say so?

 

[fallingblood]

I stated that the Gospels were written by authors who walked with Jesus or people (like Luke and Mark) who had access to valid and credible sources. Most scholars who have done the research and do not have a naturalistic bias do concur that these books were written within one generation of said events. Depending on the books in question, your talking about a period of between 10 and 60 years subsequent to the cruxifiction of Jesus. What myths are you referring to?

Mark, the earliest Gospel, is agreed to have been written around 70 C.E. That is over 3 decades after Jesus died. John is, at earliest, written around 90 C.E. That is over 5 decades after Jesus died. None of the authors are considered to have been people who walked with Jesus. They are considered to be, at best, third hand accounts.

The virgin birth is one of the myths. The resurrection is probably the second biggest one. Also, we know that the Gospels have historical inaccuracies (such as the supposed massacre of infants by Herod) and contradictions (such as what day Jesus was crucified).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Is that a myth because you say so?

No, it's a myth because there is not any evidence for it, and it is very illogical that a very small boat could house so many animals for such a long time. There is also the Exodus, virgin birth, resurrections, and many other things in the Bible that never happened.
Also many theologians agree that the Gospels were indeed wrote by people who would not have known Jesus.

 

[blueman]

Mark, the earliest Gospel, is agreed to have been written around 70 C.E. That is over 3 decades after Jesus died. John is, at earliest, written around 90 C.E. That is over 5 decades after Jesus died. None of the authors are considered to have been people who walked with Jesus. They are considered to be, at best, third hand accounts.

The virgin birth is one of the myths. The resurrection is probably the second biggest one. Also, we know that the Gospels have historical inaccuracies (such as the supposed massacre of infants by Herod) and contradictions (such as what day Jesus was crucified).

Why not? They were living at the time of Christ, correct? Secondly, you did not mention Paul's epistles which many were written around AD 40-50. The Gospel were written well within a generation. Not enough time for legend to evolve that could not be disputed. Neither the virgin birth or the resurrection were myths. These stories were attested throughout scripture. Myths do not have staying power and certainly do not impact the world the way Christianity does.

 

[PolyHedral]

No, actually. John was almost certainly not living during the time of Jesus, and Mark would have probably not been old enough to understand. Life expectancy was very low 1900 years before modern medicine.

These stories were attested throughout scripture.

Scripture seems to be treated as one document. It requires concurring sources to be considered reliable.

 

[blueman]

John was living at the time of Jesus and John Mark was a disciple of Peter.

 

[blueman]

No, actually. John was almost certainly not living during the time of Jesus, and Mark would have probably not been old enough to understand. Life expectancy was very low 1900 years before modern medicine.
Scripture seems to be treated as one document. It requires concurring sources to be considered reliable.

even if you don't believe the Christian Gospels, these are authentic historical documents of antiquity, more credible than Homer's Iliad or the biography of Alexander The Great, which by the way was written 400 years after his death.

 

[blueman]

No, it's a myth because there is not any evidence for it, and it is very illogical that a very small boat could house so many animals for such a long time. There is also the Exodus, virgin birth, resurrections, and many other things in the Bible that never happened.
Also many theologians agree that the Gospels were indeed wrote by people who would not have known Jesus.

If you don't believe that a supernatural God can intervene in a natural world, you will never believe. I happen to believe He has intervened throughout history.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

This is the biggest crock of foolishness I've ever heard. The Bible tells us that Jesus ascended into heaven, but not in what form. There is plenty of consensus amongst scholars (both evangelical and skeptic) that the Bible is an authentic historical document, written by people who walked with or had access to people who walked with Jesus. You don't have to believe in Christianity to acknowledge the Bible and NT Gospels and Epistles as authentic historical documents of antiquity. Christianity would not have any level of sustaining power based on your thesis (I'm being generous). It rest and ends with Jesus Christ's power, not Constantine's!

The Bible has never been proven to be an authentic historical document, as barely anything in it is proven to have happened. The Gospels were written after the Epistles, none of the people who wrote them were even alive during the time Jesus supposedly existed. I don't see how they can come from people who claimed to "walk with Jesus". Your post is as much a crock as the first one.

 

[blueman]

The Bible has never been proven to be an authentic historical document, as barely anything in it is proven to have happened. The Gospels were written after the Epistles, none of the people who wrote them were even alive during the time Jesus supposedly existed. I don't see how they can come from people who claimed to "walk with Jesus". Your post is as much a crock as the first one.

Based on what? scholars who have studied the historicity of the Gospels and Epistles believe them to be legitimate works of ancient history. The evidence and consensus support the authenticy of authorship unlike the Gnostic books. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from. Sounds anecdotal to me.

 

[sojourner]

That's been my calling this past two years as I preach the gospel in various websites and in person whenever I get a chance.

Methinks it was a wrong number...